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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1935 on: September 09, 2018, 09:30:16 PM »
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It's all speculation..we have no idea if he took a connecting flight to Portland using another alias. after speaking with one of the agents that was there,(T-bar) it's hard for me to believe they contaminated the area that bad. yes, it was 1971 and you clearly see a lot of mistakes like allowing the media to mix right into the crime scene. we also have no idea he had planned to jump where he did. he had no idea where they were..if he had a radio they surely would of been well aware of his presents listening in..

The silence on the radio is troubling...you read reports of low flying jets people thought was 305 but more than likely it was the fighters making the houses shake searching the area...

McCoy was spot on due to his acting like a co-pilot from the back of the plane putting him very close to where he wanted to land..

I have to disagree strongly because I lived in Portland at the time of the caper and every commercial form of Transportation was closely checked and monitored. That included Planes, Trains,and Automobiles to steal a phrase from a movie. Not a single Cab Driver or anyone reliable reported seeing Cooper. I feel strongly that he was,either dropped off at PDX or walked into the Terminal. People nowadays just don’t seem to understand how totally NO security existed at Airports in 1971 ! Anyone could give any name to buy tickets, you could walk into Airport with knives, guns or whatever and walk right up to gate ! No security checks or X Rays ! I would actually think Cooper was packing a gun as we KNOW he brought along a knife ! Lots of untalked about realities and possibilities exist still.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1936 on: September 09, 2018, 09:37:20 PM »
Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1937 on: September 09, 2018, 09:46:48 PM »
If I had to guess I'd say he flew into PDX.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1938 on: September 09, 2018, 09:58:37 PM »
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If I had to guess I'd say he flew into PDX.

less evidence in case something went wrong.....
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1939 on: September 09, 2018, 11:01:58 PM »
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If I had to guess I'd say he flew into PDX.

less evidence in case something went wrong.....

I've considered that a bearded Sheridan could have flown into PDX and simply shaved. The reality is that by all accounts Cooper was unremarkable, therefore, could have operated essentially unnoticed.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1940 on: September 09, 2018, 11:20:31 PM »
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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1941 on: September 09, 2018, 11:26:04 PM »
Kermit...no crime was committed while he was in the airport.. what alert?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1942 on: September 09, 2018, 11:30:44 PM »
WW2 navigators used Celestial Navigation..

I don't know what tools it takes.. but were the stars visible at 10,000 ft that night?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1943 on: September 09, 2018, 11:40:10 PM »
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Kermit...no crime was committed while he was in the airport.. what alert

Of course I’m talking about the aftermath of this CRIME ! You certainly are aware that this investigation has been going on for many many years and his sketch and other details relating to Cooper has been shown to everyone even remotely involved including incoming flights, Cabs, nearby Hotels, Car rental companies, Limo Drivers, ..... need I go on ? D. B. Cooper was Huge In Portland back then. The Portland Airport was like a lockdown Zone ! If Cooper set foot in PDX or he parked his car there.... He was done .... stick a fork in him !
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« Reply #1944 on: September 09, 2018, 11:42:28 PM »
I see what you mean now but we were talking about how Cooper got to the airport before the crime...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1945 on: September 09, 2018, 11:44:35 PM »
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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1946 on: September 09, 2018, 11:46:15 PM »
we were talking about whether Cooper drove to PDX or flew...it would be risky to drive there , if something happened and he couldn't get back they might find his car before he got back...the best way in is flying and leaving no evidence to worry about..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1947 on: September 09, 2018, 11:51:12 PM »
How did Danny get to the airport before the skyjacking?

My favorite fantasies are:

1. Flew in from Minneapolis after arriving there on 305 from Washington, DC, where he stashed some stuff in the overhead compartments. While 305 was puddle-jumping across Montana, Dan took a direct flight to PDX.

2. Arrived by Zodiak, as per Bill Rollins' scenario, parking his boat in the weeds and walking to the terminal.

3. Got a ride from his extraction team, who then later set up along the I-5 corridor for the rendezvous.
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1948 on: September 09, 2018, 11:58:14 PM »
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Pocket knives are normal and carried by a lot of people..I'm one of them..Cooper would of blended right in with the public..nothing would stick out of the norm with him to be noticed by people to recall him..security would never notice a man in a suit at the airport as unusual, I don't see what you are getting at..he didn't cause any alarms to go off while getting the ticket or boarding..?

My point is that every plane that flew into PDX that day as well as Cabs and Limo’s were alerted! You actually think that this exact guy flew into Portland on another flight that day wearing that exact suit and tie and carrying that briefcase and a bag and not a single person noticed the similarity ? Really ? Logic tells me he didn’t fly into PDX on another flight that day ! Also If he did fly in from out of town, where was his getaway vehicle ? In San Diego, San Francisco, in Las,Vegas, in Chicago ? How was he planning on escaping ? Let’s keep it simple as many of your cold cases showed actually happened ! His caper originated in Portland as far as we KNOW. it’s a very real Possibility his escape vehicle was also somewhere in Portland area. Tons of very discreet places to park your vehicle in Portland without anyone paying any attention to. In 1971 the area around Portland Air Base and Airport was VERY remote ! I know as I spent 6 years there in Oregon ANG.

What I know with absolute certainty is that Cooper arrived at PDX somehow. Apparently this went unnoticed. All options are therefore still on the table.

Why did he need an escape vehicle?

Finally, I believe Cooper originally intended to jump in the outskirts of Seattle and had already planned what his move from there was going to be. Likewise, if he had aborted the hijacking--for example if the back row of seats wasn't available--I think he would have deplaned in Seattle and utilized those same Seattle plans.
Yes I realize you and a lot of others BELIEVE he intended to jump in Seattle area ! However it’s just a belief and actually nobody knows  where he planned to jump. I believe there are far more reasons to jump elsewhere. The Woodland, Battleground area is less populated and of course far closer to where his caper originated. Why did he need an escape vehicle ? Well that’s a no brainer unless he had an accomplice. I would think he didn’t go to all this work, planning and danger without having a plan for escaping !
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1949 on: September 10, 2018, 12:08:18 AM »
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I see what you mean now but we were talking about how Cooper got to the airport before the crime...
Exactly and to use your own words, nobody had any reason to pay any attention to someone walking into PDX  because no crime had been committed yet ! Do you know how to get to the airport in 1971 ? The 205 and the Glenn Jackson Bridge hadn’t been built yet. The entrance was N.E. 82 ave. Along the South side ran Cornfoot Road which ran along the Oregon ANG Base. The South side of Cornfoot road was the Columbia Slough which was a wetland with nothing there ! Like I mentioned, I spent 6 years in 142 Nd OREGON ANG so I’m very familiar with that area back in 1971.
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