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« Reply #1800 on: April 18, 2018, 01:19:23 AM »
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Average height Latin America (see below)


What does that have do with anything?

The Hahneman brother's father was German and the pic is of FBI agents in Miami..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1801 on: April 18, 2018, 05:42:10 AM »
Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"
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« Reply #1802 on: April 18, 2018, 11:47:15 AM »
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Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"

I am 5' 8 3/4", I had always filled out 5' 8" on forms but as I got older I just rounded up and used 5' 9". If somebody looked back at my records they would conclude that I grew an inch as an adult.

The problem with the older hijacker Hahneman is that there is almost no info on him unlike other hijackers of the day. The FBI has said virtually nothing about him. He had a residence with wife and kids in Easton PA but only visited 3-4 times per year. Reports are that he was recently in Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala as well as Vietnam. Worked for Philco as a radar tech consistent with tie particles. He claimed to be anti-communist but a Honduran paper claimed he stole the money to fund a Marxist group. Who knows. His cousin was a pro American Honduran politician but Honduras was a basket case of corruption. I suspect that his cousin was a CIA asset and Hahneman may have been at some level as well. The ransom money was mysteriously recovered in Miami with no details. IMO, there was CIA involvement to keep everything quiet. Some people really pushed the "Cooper died" narrative..

The fact that he was much more violent than Cooper and that the FBI eliminated him for some unknown reason strongly suggests he wasn't Cooper, but it isn't proof.

Individuals just don't commit crimes to fund political causes on their own, they are always part of a group. That brings in his brother..

Facts plus Assumptions = Theory

The theory,, The brothers together did NORJAK to fund their "cause" in Honduras with the younger being the hijacker. The younger brother was in the Air Corps, had experience navigating at night.. He wore the older brothers tie (radar tech). The "American Currency" and "grudge" "no accent" "latin/swarthy" even "marcelled" "age 40's" all makes sense...  In the jump, he lost the money, probably separated due to weight and chute deployment impact  (FWHahneman asked for higher denomination in his HJ). The younger brother may or may not have survived. Their Honduran "cause" still needed money. If the younger brother had died he obviously could't participate and if he survived he could be connected to NORJAK. So, the older FWHahaneman still with no money and a "cause" was left to carry off another hijacking six months later, but this time straight to Honduras.

To test this theory we need to find the younger brother. "William H Hahneman" seems to have vanished from the US...

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1803 on: April 18, 2018, 02:16:18 PM »
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Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"

I am 5' 8 3/4", I had always filled out 5' 8" on forms but as I got older I just rounded up and used 5' 9". If somebody looked back at my records they would conclude that I grew an inch as an adult.

The problem with the older hijacker Hahneman is that there is almost no info on him unlike other hijackers of the day. The FBI has said virtually nothing about him. He had a residence with wife and kids in Easton PA but only visited 3-4 times per year. Reports are that he was recently in Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala as well as Vietnam. Worked for Philco as a radar tech consistent with tie particles. He claimed to be anti-communist but a Honduran paper claimed he stole the money to fund a Marxist group. Who knows. His cousin was a pro American Honduran politician but Honduras was a basket case of corruption. I suspect that his cousin was a CIA asset and Hahneman may have been at some level as well. The ransom money was mysteriously recovered in Miami with no details. IMO, there was CIA involvement to keep everything quiet. Some people really pushed the "Cooper died" narrative..

The fact that he was much more violent than Cooper and that the FBI eliminated him for some unknown reason strongly suggests he wasn't Cooper, but it isn't proof.

Individuals just don't commit crimes to fund political causes on their own, they are always part of a group. That brings in his brother..

Facts plus Assumptions = Theory

The theory,, The brothers together did NORJAK to fund their "cause" in Honduras with the younger being the hijacker. The younger brother was in the Air Corps, had experience navigating at night.. He wore the older brothers tie (radar tech). The "American Currency" and "grudge" "no accent" "latin/swarthy" even "marcelled" "age 40's" all makes sense...  In the jump, he lost the money, probably separated due to weight and chute deployment impact  (FWHahneman asked for higher denomination in his HJ). The younger brother may or may not have survived. Their Honduran "cause" still needed money. If the younger brother had died he obviously could't participate and if he survived he could be connected to NORJAK. So, the older FWHahaneman still with no money and a "cause" was left to carry off another hijacking six months later, but this time straight to Honduras.

To test this theory we need to find the younger brother. "William H Hahneman" seems to have vanished from the US...

the·o·ry
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a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
eg.    "Darwin's theory of evolution"

a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"

an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1804 on: April 18, 2018, 02:40:54 PM »
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Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"

I am 5' 8 3/4", I had always filled out 5' 8" on forms but as I got older I just rounded up and used 5' 9". If somebody looked back at my records they would conclude that I grew an inch as an adult.

The problem with the older hijacker Hahneman is that there is almost no info on him unlike other hijackers of the day. The FBI has said virtually nothing about him. He had a residence with wife and kids in Easton PA but only visited 3-4 times per year. Reports are that he was recently in Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala as well as Vietnam. Worked for Philco as a radar tech consistent with tie particles. He claimed to be anti-communist but a Honduran paper claimed he stole the money to fund a Marxist group. Who knows. His cousin was a pro American Honduran politician but Honduras was a basket case of corruption. I suspect that his cousin was a CIA asset and Hahneman may have been at some level as well. The ransom money was mysteriously recovered in Miami with no details. IMO, there was CIA involvement to keep everything quiet. Some people really pushed the "Cooper died" narrative..

The fact that he was much more violent than Cooper and that the FBI eliminated him for some unknown reason strongly suggests he wasn't Cooper, but it isn't proof.

Individuals just don't commit crimes to fund political causes on their own, they are always part of a group. That brings in his brother..

Facts plus Assumptions = Theory

The theory,, The brothers together did NORJAK to fund their "cause" in Honduras with the younger being the hijacker. The younger brother was in the Air Corps, had experience navigating at night.. He wore the older brothers tie (radar tech). The "American Currency" and "grudge" "no accent" "latin/swarthy" even "marcelled" "age 40's" all makes sense...  In the jump, he lost the money, probably separated due to weight and chute deployment impact  (FWHahneman asked for higher denomination in his HJ). The younger brother may or may not have survived. Their Honduran "cause" still needed money. If the younger brother had died he obviously could't participate and if he survived he could be connected to NORJAK. So, the older FWHahaneman still with no money and a "cause" was left to carry off another hijacking six months later, but this time straight to Honduras.

To test this theory we need to find the younger brother. "William H Hahneman" seems to have vanished from the US...

the·o·ry
noun

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
eg.    "Darwin's theory of evolution"

a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"

an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"

Ignoratio elenchi

(also known as: beside the point, misdirection [form of], changing the subject, false emphasis, the Chewbacca defense, irrelevant conclusion, irrelevant thesis, clouding the issue, ignorance of refutation)

Description: Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1805 on: April 18, 2018, 04:22:55 PM »
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Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"

I am 5' 8 3/4", I had always filled out 5' 8" on forms but as I got older I just rounded up and used 5' 9". If somebody looked back at my records they would conclude that I grew an inch as an adult.

The problem with the older hijacker Hahneman is that there is almost no info on him unlike other hijackers of the day. The FBI has said virtually nothing about him. He had a residence with wife and kids in Easton PA but only visited 3-4 times per year. Reports are that he was recently in Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala as well as Vietnam. Worked for Philco as a radar tech consistent with tie particles. He claimed to be anti-communist but a Honduran paper claimed he stole the money to fund a Marxist group. Who knows. His cousin was a pro American Honduran politician but Honduras was a basket case of corruption. I suspect that his cousin was a CIA asset and Hahneman may have been at some level as well. The ransom money was mysteriously recovered in Miami with no details. IMO, there was CIA involvement to keep everything quiet. Some people really pushed the "Cooper died" narrative..

The fact that he was much more violent than Cooper and that the FBI eliminated him for some unknown reason strongly suggests he wasn't Cooper, but it isn't proof.

Individuals just don't commit crimes to fund political causes on their own, they are always part of a group. That brings in his brother..

Facts plus Assumptions = Theory

The theory,, The brothers together did NORJAK to fund their "cause" in Honduras with the younger being the hijacker. The younger brother was in the Air Corps, had experience navigating at night.. He wore the older brothers tie (radar tech). The "American Currency" and "grudge" "no accent" "latin/swarthy" even "marcelled" "age 40's" all makes sense...  In the jump, he lost the money, probably separated due to weight and chute deployment impact  (FWHahneman asked for higher denomination in his HJ). The younger brother may or may not have survived. Their Honduran "cause" still needed money. If the younger brother had died he obviously could't participate and if he survived he could be connected to NORJAK. So, the older FWHahaneman still with no money and a "cause" was left to carry off another hijacking six months later, but this time straight to Honduras.

To test this theory we need to find the younger brother. "William H Hahneman" seems to have vanished from the US...

the·o·ry
noun

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
eg.    "Darwin's theory of evolution"

a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"

an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"

Ignoratio elenchi

(also known as: beside the point, misdirection [form of], changing the subject, false emphasis, the Chewbacca defense, irrelevant conclusion, irrelevant thesis, clouding the issue, ignorance of refutation)

Description: Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.

OK! What ever ...  :chr2:  Why is the sky blue - why do fish swim?   :conspiracy:
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1806 on: April 18, 2018, 10:50:55 PM »
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Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"

I am 5' 8 3/4", I had always filled out 5' 8" on forms but as I got older I just rounded up and used 5' 9". If somebody looked back at my records they would conclude that I grew an inch as an adult.

The problem with the older hijacker Hahneman is that there is almost no info on him unlike other hijackers of the day. The FBI has said virtually nothing about him. He had a residence with wife and kids in Easton PA but only visited 3-4 times per year. Reports are that he was recently in Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala as well as Vietnam. Worked for Philco as a radar tech consistent with tie particles. He claimed to be anti-communist but a Honduran paper claimed he stole the money to fund a Marxist group. Who knows. His cousin was a pro American Honduran politician but Honduras was a basket case of corruption. I suspect that his cousin was a CIA asset and Hahneman may have been at some level as well. The ransom money was mysteriously recovered in Miami with no details. IMO, there was CIA involvement to keep everything quiet. Some people really pushed the "Cooper died" narrative..

The fact that he was much more violent than Cooper and that the FBI eliminated him for some unknown reason strongly suggests he wasn't Cooper, but it isn't proof.

Individuals just don't commit crimes to fund political causes on their own, they are always part of a group. That brings in his brother..

Facts plus Assumptions = Theory

The theory,, The brothers together did NORJAK to fund their "cause" in Honduras with the younger being the hijacker. The younger brother was in the Air Corps, had experience navigating at night.. He wore the older brothers tie (radar tech). The "American Currency" and "grudge" "no accent" "latin/swarthy" even "marcelled" "age 40's" all makes sense...  In the jump, he lost the money, probably separated due to weight and chute deployment impact  (FWHahneman asked for higher denomination in his HJ). The younger brother may or may not have survived. Their Honduran "cause" still needed money. If the younger brother had died he obviously could't participate and if he survived he could be connected to NORJAK. So, the older FWHahaneman still with no money and a "cause" was left to carry off another hijacking six months later, but this time straight to Honduras.

To test this theory we need to find the younger brother. "William H Hahneman" seems to have vanished from the US...

the·o·ry
noun

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
eg.    "Darwin's theory of evolution"

a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"

an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"

Ok, I know this is off topic, but I've found that people often use the word "theory" when they really mean "hypothesis".  But, the definition you put in implies  the definition of "theory" has expanded to include "hypothesis".

Now, the next time someone uses "fortuitous" when they mean "fortunate", I'll  post the same thought.......
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1807 on: April 18, 2018, 11:19:36 PM »
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Yes, I was thinking of Honduras   

Average height of a male from Germany is 5' 10"

I'm German (mainly) I'm just over 5' 8"
My brother is about 6' 1"

I am 5' 8 3/4", I had always filled out 5' 8" on forms but as I got older I just rounded up and used 5' 9". If somebody looked back at my records they would conclude that I grew an inch as an adult.

The problem with the older hijacker Hahneman is that there is almost no info on him unlike other hijackers of the day. The FBI has said virtually nothing about him. He had a residence with wife and kids in Easton PA but only visited 3-4 times per year. Reports are that he was recently in Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala as well as Vietnam. Worked for Philco as a radar tech consistent with tie particles. He claimed to be anti-communist but a Honduran paper claimed he stole the money to fund a Marxist group. Who knows. His cousin was a pro American Honduran politician but Honduras was a basket case of corruption. I suspect that his cousin was a CIA asset and Hahneman may have been at some level as well. The ransom money was mysteriously recovered in Miami with no details. IMO, there was CIA involvement to keep everything quiet. Some people really pushed the "Cooper died" narrative..

The fact that he was much more violent than Cooper and that the FBI eliminated him for some unknown reason strongly suggests he wasn't Cooper, but it isn't proof.

Individuals just don't commit crimes to fund political causes on their own, they are always part of a group. That brings in his brother..

Facts plus Assumptions = Theory

The theory,, The brothers together did NORJAK to fund their "cause" in Honduras with the younger being the hijacker. The younger brother was in the Air Corps, had experience navigating at night.. He wore the older brothers tie (radar tech). The "American Currency" and "grudge" "no accent" "latin/swarthy" even "marcelled" "age 40's" all makes sense...  In the jump, he lost the money, probably separated due to weight and chute deployment impact  (FWHahneman asked for higher denomination in his HJ). The younger brother may or may not have survived. Their Honduran "cause" still needed money. If the younger brother had died he obviously could't participate and if he survived he could be connected to NORJAK. So, the older FWHahaneman still with no money and a "cause" was left to carry off another hijacking six months later, but this time straight to Honduras.

To test this theory we need to find the younger brother. "William H Hahneman" seems to have vanished from the US...

the·o·ry
noun

a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
eg.    "Darwin's theory of evolution"

a set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based.
"a theory of education"

an idea used to account for a situation or justify a course of action.
"my theory would be that the place has been seriously mismanaged"

Ok, I know this is off topic, but I've found that people often use the word "theory" when they really mean "hypothesis".  But, the definition you put in implies  the definition of "theory" has expanded to include "hypothesis".

Now, the next time someone uses "fortuitous" when they mean "fortunate", I'll  post the same thought.......

or theory ~ supposition ~ speculation. Formal vs informal.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1808 on: April 19, 2018, 10:39:08 AM »
Any background for the creation of the wax DB Cooper head shown at Washington Museum??

Looks exactly like Hahneman.. (or brother?)



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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1809 on: April 19, 2018, 11:44:28 AM »
Gobble, Gobble... Hahneman has a turkey neck, marcelled hair... half Honduran = white latin

Right pic one month after hijacking face looks thinner, left pic maybe six months later, he looks heavier in the face.

The higher level of violence during his hijacking is troubling though... other than that he fits Cooper's profile and tie particle evidence (radar tech), chain smoker although different brand but those cigarettes disappeared..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1810 on: April 19, 2018, 01:42:38 PM »
More on the Coup and Hahneman's cousin..

"Hijacker Once Planned Honduras Coup ALLENTOWN, Pa, (AP)- jfcn Eastern Airlines jetliner for $308,000 ransom once spoke of seizing power in Honduras, the Central American country where he landed after bailing out of the plane, according to the Allentown Morning Call. - the newspaper said today ilhat Frederick W. Hahneman, 49, of Easton, Pa., was overheard telling the Honduran ambassador to the United Nations that he might want to become chief of police in Honduras. The ambassador, Hahneman reportedly said, * would also participate in a -', new government—as president. Hahneman was born in Tegucigalpa, the capital city of Honduras. He surrendered to authorities there on June 3, nearly a month after the hijacking and was recently indicted on air piracy charges by a grand jury in Virginia. According to federal spokesmen, Hahneman has told investigators that some of the money he allegedly extorted is in a Communist Chinese bank in Hong Kong, and the rest is 'on- its way to "causes" he supports. The Allentown Call said it learned more of Hahneman's purported motives from Robert Kaminsky, manager of the Beverly Hotel, New York City. Kaminsky told the Call that 'Hahneman frequently visited the ambassador, who is his cousin, at the hotel on east 50th street. The diplomat stayed there while the U.N. -.was in session. After identifying a photograph of Hahneman, the hotel manager said he was the man he spoke with at the hotel desk last January. Kaminsky said that during an idle conversation, also, witnessed by desk clerk Salvatore Patti Hahneman began to deplore conditions in Honduras. He called the country ripe for rebellion, according to the hotel man. "The people will someday overthrow the government," Kaminsky quoted Hahneman as saying. Hahneman then said, according to Kaminsky: "I'll be police chief and my cousin will be president." The newspaper said it also learned that ambassador Ordonez once attempted to purchase snake bite antitoxin from the hotel pharmacy, but demurred on the request after the pharmacist asked him for a doctor's prescription. Ordonez's cousin, (Hahneman) an Air Corps radar technician during World War II, told authorities when he surrendered that he feared for his life. He had been pursued by several platoons of Honduran troops through thick jungle. Hahneman is scheduled to be arraigned Monday in U.S. District Court, Alexandria, Va."

"WASHINGTON (UPI) — The U.S. attorney handling the case said Friday he likely would seek the death penalty if an international manhunt turns up a mysterious engineer accused of parachuting from a hijacked airliner over Honduras with $303,000 in ransom. FBI agents and Honduran officials were pressing their search for a man identified as Frederick William Hahneman, 49, a Honduran-born American engineer from Easton, Pa., who last worked for Philco Corp. in Vietnam."
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1811 on: April 19, 2018, 04:34:17 PM »
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heres some more about hahneman


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« Reply #1812 on: April 19, 2018, 07:52:46 PM »
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Thanks, very interesting. CREATES MORE QUESTIONS... What is going on here... was Hahneman a CIA asset/contractor?

George Ames was the name Hahneman used for his hijacking.. Hahneman told a neighbour he was in Guatemala and he was a radar technician/engineer.. The ransom money was recovered in Miami. I sense this is the tip of something much bigger..


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"Mr. Nedzi. Do you know anybody by the name of George Ames, Mr. Hunt?

Mr. Hunt. Is that a true name or a pseudonym ? No name comes to mind. I can give you off the top of my head "No."

Mr. Nedzi. When you worked in Central America, did you ever have occasion to come in contact with individuals working on electronic installation contracts in Guatemala, or any place else in Central America ?

Mr. Hunt. I may have. I can't think of any. I was involved in the operation "Overthrow Arvens" in Guatemala, you know. We used the [deleted] subsidiary as a part of our communications network. If you could be more specific. That is the only connection I can think of, sir.

And I don't know the names of anybody after this lapse of time. Mr. Nedzi. Do you know anyone by the name of Frederick William Hahneman?
Mr. Hunt. Hahneman ?
Mr. Nedzi. Yes, H-a-h-n-e-m-a-n.
Mr. Hunt. No, sir. Not to the best of my recollection.
Mr. Nedzi. Do you have any knowledge of the May 5, 1972, hijacking of the Eastern Airlines flight from Allentown, Pa., to Washington, to Miami.

Mr. Hunt. No, sir.

Mr. Nedzi. Do you know whether Frank Sturgis was involved while in Honduras or elsewhere in Central America with Hahneman or George Ames ?

Mr. Hunt. I have no knowledge of either of the names. I have no knowledge of Frank Sturgis' activities there.

Mr. Nedzi. Do you have any questions ?
Mr. Hogan. No, sir.
Mr. Nedzi. Were you involved in any operations of any kind in Miami before the Democratic National Convention?
Mr. Hunt. I was involved in the contemplation of operations that might at one time come to pass, but which did not. Operations per se, no, sir, aside from an assist I gave to Segretti. Mr. Nedzi. What did that consist of ?

Mr. Hunt. That consisted of his requirement for a printer who could be trusted, and through Mr. Barker I got the name of the printer, and that name was passed on to him and I believe he used that printer. What they printed, I don't know.

Mr. Nedzi. Do you have any questions ? Mr. Slatinshek. No.
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« Reply #1813 on: April 19, 2018, 08:17:40 PM »
You're welcome flyjack
 

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« Reply #1814 on: April 19, 2018, 08:44:44 PM »
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You're welcome flyjack

Looking at the CIA anti communist ops in Guatemala,, WOW.. links to Vietnam.. Hahneman was also in Vietnam.

If Hahneman was a CIA operative/contractor that would explain the lack of information about the hijacking and a "possible" coverup or "suppression" campaign.


CIA in Guatemala

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1960s
Prior to President Johnson's term in 1963, Dwight Eisenhower preached about how there was a time that America's end goal was to rid of communist governments. His wording in 1963 proved that it seemed that at least in this former president's opinion that the nation was beginning to go a different direction.[6] President Lyndon B. Johnson wanted to invade Guatemala with private military contractors.[35] In support of this, CIA Director William Raborn was tasked with finding evidence to support the President's belief that Guatemala was a Cuban puppet state. Raborn was unsuccessful in finding such evidence. In late 1965 Ambassador Mein requested help from the United States with fighting terrorist and kidnapping in Guatemala.[36] John P. Longan was selected for this job and to create a plan. Longan set up a meeting with Guatemala's Ambassador, chief of station, CAS, and chief public safety advisor to present his plan of action to high ranking police and military officials, including the chiefs of the Judicial Police, the National Police (PN) and the Treasury Guard (GH). After multiple meetings these agencies obviously were distrustful of each other and could not agree upon a plan of action. Longan advised Guatemalan these officials to establish "frozen area plans" for police raids (cordon and search) and the development of a "joint operations plan" for inter-agency coordination.[36]
A major feature of the new pacification strategy was the synchronization of the military and police forces in carrying out extralegal counter-terror activities. With money and support from US advisors, President Enrique Peralta Azurdia established a Presidential Intelligence Agency in the National Palace, under which a telecommunications database known as the Regional Telecommunications Center or La Regional existed, linking the National Police, the Treasury Guard, the Judicial Police, the Presidential House and the Military Communications Center via a VHF-FM intracity frequency. La Regional also served as a depository for the names of suspected "subversives" and had its own intelligence and operational unit attached to it.[37] This network was built on the 'Committees against Communism' created by the Central Intelligence Agency after the coup in 1954.[38]
The Guatemalan army general staff launched "Operation Limpieza" -Operation Cleanup-, an urban counterinsurgency program under the command of Colonel Rafael Arriaga Bosque. This program coordinated the activities of all of the country's main security agencies (including the Army, the Judicial Police and the National Police) in both covert and overt anti-guerrilla operations. Under Arriaga's direction, the security forces began to use extralegal tactics against the PGT.[39] In 1966, the CIA station in Guatemala addressed the capture and execution of five people who reportedly had entered into Guatemala from Mexico, illegally. These men were tortured for two days and then executed by security officers.[40] Among the victims was the leader of the Partido Guatemalteco de Trabajadores (PGT), Victor Manuel Gutiérrez . These actions occurred within the context of a series of coordinated joint raids by combined forces of the Judicial Police and the G-2 (the operational unit of military intelligence, S-2) in which 28 PGT members and associates were seized by Guatemalan security forces in early March 1966 and subsequently vanished. The incident became famous as the first case of mass "disappearance" in Guatemala's history and one of the first uses of forced disappearances as a counterinsurgency tactic in Latin America.
In July 1966, president Julio Caesar Mendez Montenegro signed a pact which gave the army and security services the green-light to apply "any means necessary" in fighting insurgents and internal opposition groups. The Army General Staff subsequently assumed all control over the security forces and appointed Vice-Defense Minister, Col. Manuel Francisco Sosa Avila as the main "counterinsurgency coordinator". In addition, the Army General Staff and the Ministry of Defense took control of the Presidential Intelligence Agency - and by extension La Regional and the entire affiliated intelligence network - and renamed it the Guatemalan National Security Service (Servicio de Seguridad Nacional de Guatemala - SSNG).[41]
Within the framework of CIA supported counterinsurgency, a close relationship developed between right-wing paramilitary organizations and the security structures. Many civilian vigilantes linked to the MLN and right-wing paramilitary groups were simply absorbed by the Guatemalan Army G-2 in subsequent years. They operated as confidenciales or "military commissioners" and were attached to local army garrisons throughout the country. One Guatemalan high official acknowledged that over 3,000 MLN members collaborated with the Army. The most notorious of the right-wing paramilitary groups operating during the 1960s was the MANO, also known as the Mano Blanca ("White Hand"). Initially formed by the extreme-right MLN party as a paramilitary front in June 1966 to prevent President Méndez Montenegro from taking office, the MANO was quickly coopted by the army as an auxiliary force.[42] The MANO - while being the only death squad formed autonomously from the government - had a largely military membership, and received substantial funding from wealthy landowners.[43] The leader of the MLN and its paramilitary arm was Mario Sandoval Alarcon (later vice-president from 1974–78). Sandoval Alarcon was a paid CIA asset for at least 30 years, starting in the 1950s.[44] The MANO also received information from military intelligence through La Regional, with which it was linked to the Army General Staff and all of the main security forces.[45]
In January 1967 a special counter-terror unit labeled the Special Commando Unit of the Guatemalan Army (SCUGA) under the command of Colonel Maximo Zepeda was created.[46] The CIA Station in Guatemala planned to expand its operations to include an intelligence-gathering network through SCUGA. The purpose of SCUGA was to collect information through the arrests and interrogation of what they deemed to be revolutionaries of communism. It carried out 'special assignments' that included abduction and assassinations of local authorities that the CIA deemed disruptive and "real and alleged communists."[47] The CIA itself referred to the SCUGA as a "government-sponsored terrorist organization...used primarily for assassinations and political abductions"[48]
In March 1967, after Vice-Defense Minister and counterinsurgency coordinator Col. Francisco Sosa Avila was named director-general of the National Police, a special counterinsurgency unit of the National Police known as the Fourth Corps was created to carry out extralegal operations alongside the SCUGA.[49] The Fourth Corps was an illegal fifty-man assassination squad which operated in secrecy from other members of the National Police, taking orders from Col. Sosa and Col. Arriaga.[50]

Links with the Phoenix Program


During the period of counterinsurgency and police militarization under Col. Sosa Avila, the PN worked closely with the USAID Office of Public Safety (OPS), which largely operated as a front for the CIA. Between 1966 and 1974, the OPS help militarize the PN and provided extensive training to Guatemalan security services in areas of counterinsurgency, intelligence gathering and interrogation. By 1970, more than 30,000 Guatemalan police officers had received some form of OPS training.[51]
US government Biographic Register and Foreign Service Lists reveal that many of the same American OPS and other functionaries operating in Guatemala were also involved in Vietnam, particularly in Civil Operations and Revolutionary Development Support (CORDS).[52] A component of CORDS was the CIA's Phoenix Program (1968–72), which was in part a covert program of selective assassination aimed at eradicating the Vietcong's civilian support base which killed at least 41,000 suspected VC sympathizers and cadre according to South Vietnamese government statistics.[53]
Central to Phoenix was the use of death squads; also known as "killer-teams", "counter-terror teams" or more euphemistically as Provincial Reconnaissance Units (PRUs). These units would kill or abduct ("neutralize") suspected NLF cadre and synpathizers. Suspects were then taken to interrogation centers where they were tortured in an attempt to gain intelligence on VC activities in the area.[54] The information extracted was used to task the death squads with further killings.[54] An analogous pattern of selective terror was set in motion in Guatemala in the mid-1960s, where operational intelligence was extracted from captured suspects, collated, and used to designate additional targets for liquidation units. When asked about the origins of the death squads in Guatemala in a subsequent interview, General Oscar Humberto Mejia Victores (military president from 1983–86) stated that they were initiated "in the 1960s with the CIA".[55]