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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #180 on: March 14, 2015, 04:46:00 PM »
G: And "Cooper Royalty can kiss my ass!"

PB: Just tell me where and when!
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #181 on: March 15, 2015, 10:01:33 PM »
Question for you guys that live up in that area. Do people ever attempt to walk the woods in that vicinity or metal detect? I assume that most of the land is private land, so a person would need permission. Just wondering if people ever do that?

I grew up on a Civil War battlefield (Battle of Champion Hill) and so I was raised relic hunting and spending hours and hours slowly walking through the woods waiting for that awesome beeping sound. In my life I probably filled up a dozen mason jars with minee balls, but I've also found jacket buttons, spoons, cartridge boxes, US cavalry horseshoes, canteen pieces, belt buckles, artillery fragments, and even a whole cannonball!

So anyways, just wondering if people relic hunt the area along the flight path? I know it'd be a one in a million chance to find anything since the area is so vast, but if we assume he is dead there should be the remnants of the chute, the rig and harness, his belt buckle, any coins he had in his pockets, a cigarette lighter, the briefcase, and maybe even his sunglasses.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #182 on: March 15, 2015, 10:19:35 PM »
Jerry Thomas has been searching the woods for years. I'm sure he has used a metal detector. I wonder how many have done that while not looking for Cooper?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #183 on: March 15, 2015, 10:42:24 PM »
From Sluggo's site about Jerry: copy/paste

Jerry Thomas, a Vietnam vet, Army survival trainer and drill sergeant, has been looking for D.B. Cooper since 1989. He's spent hundreds of days in the Washougal and Lewis watersheds, sometimes going months at a time searching for clues under the tall trees.
Jerry has his opinions about Cooper’s fate. He believes Cooper's chute never opened. That D.B. hit the ground hard.
Thomas is optimistic that his methodical search will one day yield results.
He says he's hopeful he can answer the Cooper riddle for his friend, Himmelsbach, the former FBI investigator, and for all the others who have wondered, and worked, on finding the man.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #184 on: March 15, 2015, 11:29:57 PM »
Well good for him! Glad someone is doing it!

Also, is it the consensus that he probably chucked the briefcase out the back of the plane? It would seem like an unreasonable burden to tie a money bag and a briefcase to yourself.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #185 on: March 15, 2015, 11:38:49 PM »
I don't know when he was last out looking. he's had some health issues.

My guess would also be to lose the briefcase. I wonder what happened to it after it hit the ground. I'm sure it probably broke open dumping it's contents?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #186 on: March 16, 2015, 12:26:01 AM »
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Question for you guys that live up in that area. Do people ever attempt to walk the woods in that vicinity or metal detect? I assume that most of the land is private land, so a person would need permission. Just wondering if people ever do that?

I grew up on a Civil War battlefield (Battle of Champion Hill) and so I was raised relic hunting and spending hours and hours slowly walking through the woods waiting for that awesome beeping sound. In my life I probably filled up a dozen mason jars with minee balls, but I've also found jacket buttons, spoons, cartridge boxes, US cavalry horseshoes, canteen pieces, belt buckles, artillery fragments, and even a whole cannonball!

So anyways, just wondering if people relic hunt the area along the flight path? I know it'd be a one in a million chance to find anything since the area is so vast, but if we assume he is dead there should be the remnants of the chute, the rig and harness, his belt buckle, any coins he had in his pockets, a cigarette lighter, the briefcase, and maybe even his sunglasses.

Cooper had about 2 to 3 pounds of metal with him that would react with a magnet or metal detector.  This is primarily the hardware on the backpack parachute but includes, as you mentioned, a belt buckle, coins, possibly a cigarette lighter, and definitely a pocket knife.  He had to have the pocket knife since there was nothing on the airliner for him to cut the shroud lines with.

All of the above metal would be in an area not to exceed 2 feet wide and 3 feet long.

If you wish to go to Tina Bar and do some work with a metal detector, I'll be happy to loan you my Garrett machine.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #187 on: March 16, 2015, 04:38:27 AM »
A couple of thoughts about PNW folks walking in the woods:

1. Jerry T.

JT says he has walked in the woods a lot, but nobody I know has ever seen him go.  Back in 2008 and 2009 I asked to tag along with him the next time he planned on tramping, volunteered to even camp out, and he said I was always welcome to come along.  But he always backed out of tentative dates to go.  We never did get together for the Washougal experience.

Then, I asked Jerry for some specifics of where he has already gone in the Washougal so that I would not repeat romping in the same places he had already gone when I actually got my ass into gear. Again, he said sure, and then never delivered any maps, nor any specific landmarks, sites, identifying markers - nuttin'.

Does anybody know anything about the Washougal search?  Where the cave is that JT found the old satchel that got Himms all excited and seems to be the launching of their relationship?

Last thing about JT. When he came to the 2011 Symposium he brought along a HUGE scrapbook filled with Cooper memorabilia from the get-go in '71. It had tons of newspaper clipping, but I didn't see one shred detailing his work. I find that odd. Doesn't he record where he has gone? What he has found?  Why not? I know that spelling and grammar are not his strong suits, but still...

2. As for general strolling in the woods, the most comprehensive stuff I know of, are hunters - elk and deer.  That's how the placard was found near Silver Lake. We have lots of wanderers, too - lost souls and homeless guys, but they don't wander too deep into the boonies unless they are making a permanent camp in a hard-core kind of way.

LZ-A is not that primal. Lots of folks around, so I would think that most acreage has been accessed. That said, it is lonely out there, and bad guys know they can dump bodies at just about every forest road dead-end. The feds found two when they went looking for Coop, back in '72.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #188 on: March 16, 2015, 05:38:42 AM »
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A couple of thoughts about PNW folks walking in the woods:

1. Jerry T.

JT says he has walked in the woods a lot, but nobody I know has ever seen him go.  Back in 2008 and 2009 I asked to tag along with him the next time he planned on tramping, volunteered to even camp out, and he said I was always welcome to come along.  But he always backed out of tentative dates to go.  We never did get together for the Washougal experience.

Then, I asked Jerry for some specifics of where he has already gone in the Washougal so that I would not repeat romping in the same places he had already gone when I actually got my ass into gear. Again, he said sure, and then never delivered any maps, nor any specific landmarks, sites, identifying markers - nuttin'.

Does anybody know anything about the Washougal search?  Where the cave is that JT found the old satchel that got Himms all excited and seems to be the launching of their relationship?

Last thing about JT. When he came to the 2011 Symposium he brought along a HUGE scrapbook filled with Cooper memorabilia from the get-go in '71. It had tons of newspaper clipping, but I didn't see one shred detailing his work. I find that odd. Doesn't he record where he has gone? What he has found?  Why not? I know that spelling and grammar are not his strong suits, but still...

2. As for general strolling in the woods, the most comprehensive stuff I know of, are hunters - elk and deer.  That's how the placard was found near Silver Lake. We have lots of wanderers, too - lost souls and homeless guys, but they don't wander too deep into the boonies unless they are making a permanent camp in a hard-core kind of way.

LZ-A is not that primal. Lots of folks around, so I would think that most acreage has been accessed. That said, it is lonely out there, and bad guys know they can dump bodies at just about every forest road dead-end. The feds found two when they went looking for Coop, back in '72.

JT's supposed last area of search was the area around and north of Dougan Falls, he said.

I posted this several weeks ago, you must have missed it.

One report claims JT did not make all the searches he claims. I dunno - I wasnt there.

However, a number of people have searched in the Washougal area over the years. Do a search for newspapers articles about others conducting searches in the Washougal ...

You do realise JT also claims flight 305 crossed over at the Troutdale Airport! JT has always been firm on that point he says comes straight from Himmelsbach. Hush-hush. Don;t tell anyone!

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #189 on: March 16, 2015, 04:52:55 PM »
Yup, I remember JT's fierce defense of the Troutdale fly-over.

Thanks for the Dougan Falls tip. Musta missed it.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #190 on: March 17, 2015, 02:35:44 PM »
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Yup, I remember JT's fierce defense of the Troutdale fly-over.

Thanks for the Dougan Falls tip. Musta missed it.

FBI offices sometimes miss things too but they get blamed for it! (by book writers)
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #191 on: March 17, 2015, 04:11:08 PM »
You got a problem with that?

smile...
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #192 on: March 18, 2015, 12:13:59 AM »
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You got a problem with that?

smile...

If this is for me, I have a problem with unproven conspiracy theories in general. A conspiracy is one species. System error is another species. Unproven conspiracy theories seldom enlighten us about the real issues at hand. And how do a bunch of people in diverse places who don't even know each other, have never even communicated with each other ... all over a forty years period ... participate knowingly in a conspiracy? Are you claiming they are all connected in the Fourth Dimension on a mountain top on Planet Acres?

If you are going to claim a conspiracy don't you have to prove one?

If I claim that snowballs from Hades made the oceans on Earth, don't I have to provide some hard evidence in order for it to appear in the textbooks the next year?

I dunno. I only work here. I'm slow and watch Letterman while reading the Cooper sites.     
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #193 on: March 18, 2015, 01:12:30 AM »
Relax, G.

I was teasing you about your comments on how some reporters blame the FBI when they screw up.

I know you didn't mention ANY names, BUT were you thinking of me when you posted that comment????
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #194 on: March 18, 2015, 01:51:59 AM »
A crazy thing has happen at DZ tonight, in addition to all of the turmoil going on over there. Mr. Blevins has dredged up old "working notes" of mine published years ago, and has actually posted a link to them, ... in a totally pointless response to Smokin99! Why or of what value my old talking point notes have as a reply to Smokin99, God only knows! I guess Blevins is trying to divert attention away from himself, to me? This is crazy on it's face and totally irrelevant to the Smokin-Blevins debate which has been occurring at DZ lately.

These are old talking point notes which I had posted for someone years ago, in 2008, in a private Yahoo group. The notes merely outline issues and questions various people had brought up, which some of us at the time thought needed examination and clarification. None of these talking points were posted as "facts about anything", but as "issues" which needed clarification. These notes were then re-posted into a newsgroup where a person had set up a Cooper discussion group. As I recall this, I don't think that newsgroup even survived. But nothing in my notes was meant as a statement of fact about anything - each issue brought forward was simply an issue to be discussed, examined, and nothing more...   

None of this has any relevance to the world today!

None of this has any relevance whatever to the Smokin99-Blevins debate currently going on at Dropzone.

My sympathies to Smokin99 in her impossible task with the obsessive-compulsive Blevins at Dropzone!     




 
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