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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1755 on: April 13, 2018, 06:46:57 PM »
Small world indeed R99. I'm not sure I'd take a ride in a C 133, especially one surplused from the USAF as worn out. But if I had a rig and they'd let me jump... yeah probably.

The Fedex pilot I spoke with who got one flight in the right seat of that AK C 133, said he had never experienced anything close to that level of airframe vibration.

He had also flown 727s at Fedex and knew about Cooper. He LOVED the 727, said it was just a wonderful aircraft.

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« Reply #1756 on: April 14, 2018, 12:24:41 PM »
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Does anybody know how/why Frederick W. Hahneman was eliminated as a suspect??


I don't, and it is a good question. I was surprised at how difficult it was to find information on Hahneman - and all the copycats for that matter - when I was writing my book.

Need a FOIA on Frederick W. Hahneman...

There is scant information on this guy and nothing on WHY he was eliminated.. He was ex military and prior to hijacking, a radar technician working for Philco in Vietnam.. apparently Philco ran into problems and the Signal Corps had to redo their systems..

The more I pull the Hahneman thread the weirder it gets... so many similarities.. then the money was suddenly recovered with no details, no explanation. WAS THERE A DEAL CUT? He served less than 12 years.. His cousin Roberto Martinez Ordoñez was a prominent politician in Honduras and later with the UN. His Liberal party was in a coalition which was getting pushed out, rumour is Hahneman wanted the money to fund a revolution? Hijacking was in May '72 and in June the (American backed) Honduran military launched a coup.

"Aftermath: Hahneman was in custody but the money was not. He told authorities that he had deposited the ransom in "the Chinese Communist Bank in Hong Kong", via a mysterious Panamanian "contact".

On September 11, 1972, Hahneman waived his right to a jury trial and plead guilty to a charge of air piracy, kidnapping and extortion. He was sentenced to life imprisonment on September 29, 1972 in the US District Court in Alexandria, Va, and sent to the federal prison in Atlanta. As he left the federal building for prison, Hahneman was asked by a reporter what he'd done with the money. "None of your bloody business," he replied.

On May 8, 1973 the FBI announced they had recovered the $303,000 ransom. In the press release they said, "Upon recovery of the money a check was made of the National Crime Information Center, FBI Headquarters, Washington D.C., which determined the serial numbers tallied with the ransom money paid in connection with the hijacking.They provided no further details of how or where they recovered the money.

Bureau of Prisons records show Frederick Hahneman was paroled on March 13, 1984. On August 17, 1984 he was discharged. The Bureau has no further records of him.
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"Fridav, June 2, '72 DETROIT FREE PRESS I used to driver her down to the bank to cash the checks ha .sent her." The hijacker, who used the name of George Ames, told crewmen that he was suffering from a terminal illness. A spokesman for the Ameri-cus Hotel in Allentown said a man registered as George Ames stayed at the hotel for three days prior to the hijacking. Hahneman attended Lafayette College briefly in 1947, according to college records. that he would allow his wife to riase those two kids by herself. They said he was in the diplomatic corps and he sent her montly checks. He was home recently but only for a short while." Other neighbors said Mrs. Hahneman had been losng her eyesight for the past six years and now can only see light, making it impossible for her to leave the home alone. "She's a wonderful woman, never bitter about her sight," said Mrs. Mattes. "She never talked about her husband, but Hahneman was specifically charged with air piracy by use of a handgun and verbal threats, a crime punishable by death. He also was charged with intimidation and interference with flight crew members, assault with a dangerous weapon and with kidnaping of the crew. Kidnaping resulting in harm is punishable by death or by a maximum of life imprisonment if there are no' injuries. No injuries were reported on the hijacked flight. The FBI said Hahneman and 194fl, as a radar operator and a flight crew man. The records noted Hahneman's father died in New Orleans. Passport office records also showed Hahneman was born July 5, 1922, at Puerto Castilla, Honduras, and that hia occupation had been radio, electrical and communications engineer. Five of the Eastern crew members picked him out positively as the hijacker when shown Hahneman's photo-graph along with those of other white males. his wife, Mary, were married in 1948 and have two sons, Frederick William 3d, 20, and John Phillip, 17. A spokesman said the suspect had traveled widely and lived in a number of foreign countries. His last known employment was with Philco in Vietnam. IN EASTON, neighbors said Hahneman visited his family for the first time in several years shortly before the hijacking. Mrs. Richard Mattes said: "I always thought it strange of German extraction and was burie in New Orleans, that his mother was Honduran and that he was employed by the Philco Corp. The hijacker was said to have asked if the 727 was equipped with X-band radar and spoke knowledgeably of radar and aircraft as well as the geography of Central and South America. On the basis of this information, the FBI found a Frederick William Hahneman who had served in the Army from April 19, 1943, to March 19, "


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Image of Hahneman (I only tinted the glasses he was wearing)
Latin appearance. Turkey neck. Slightly Marcelled hair on sides in other pics. Hair parted on Left. Age 49.
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« Reply #1757 on: April 14, 2018, 03:17:32 PM »
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(UPI)—Frederick W. Hahneman reportedly told an FBI agent he is strongly anticommunist, but that he channelled $303,000 ransom from an Eastern Air Lines hijacking through a Communist bank to finance causes he backs in Latin America. FBI agent Norman Bliss testified at a hearing Monday about his interview with Hahneman, who is accused of hijacking Eastern’s flight 175 May 5. The hijacker got the ransom money, parachutes, jumping gear and survival equipment in Washington, and bailed out over Honduras. Hahneman did not have the money when he surrendered to U.S. embassy officials in Honduras Saturday. "He said it would eventually wind up in the hands of the people with whom he was working for causes in Central and South America,” Bliss said. He said Hahneman told him the money would be channelled to the unidentified "causes” back through the United States. Bliss, who interviewed Hahneman while returning him to Miami, said Hahneman told him he landed near the town of Tela, Honduras, "took off all his gear, sat down and had a smoke and waited until daylight.” "He said that by Monday, the money was out of his hands,” Bliss said. At the end of the hearing, U.S. Magistrate Michael J. Osman recommended that Hahneman, 49, be taken to Alexandria, Va., to face charges of air piracy, kidnap­ ing and assault with a deadly weapon.


"Frederick W. Hahneman" aka "Frederick William Hahneman" b 1922 Honduras

father's name "William Frederick Hahneman"

military record search found only a "William H Hahneman" b 1927 Honduras

He enlisted in New Orleans. The hijacker "Frederick W. Hahneman" attended a Community College very close in Mississippi..

"FREDERICK W HAHNEMAN was born 05 July 1922, received Social Security number 427-34-7983 (indicating Mississippi) and, Death Master File says, died 17 December 1991."


So, is this the same person, dual/fake identity? a brother?  Two William Hahneman's from Honduras in the US military at the same/close location?


Military record..

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« Reply #1758 on: April 14, 2018, 04:00:51 PM »
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Does anybody know how/why Frederick W. Hahneman was eliminated as a suspect??



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Image of Hahneman (I only tinted the glasses he was wearing)
Latin appearance. Turkey neck. Slightly Marcelled hair on sides in other pics. Hair parted on Left. Age 49.

Voila - its a match!
 
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« Reply #1759 on: April 15, 2018, 11:15:49 AM »
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Does anybody know how/why Frederick W. Hahneman was eliminated as a suspect??



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Image of Hahneman (I only tinted the glasses he was wearing)
Latin appearance. Turkey neck. Slightly Marcelled hair on sides in other pics. Hair parted on Left. Age 49.

Voila - its a match!

Gobble Gobble..

Hahneman was an EE radar technician for Philco after his USAF time, exposure to Yttrium used in radar screens << researching this?

Hahneman was funding "political" causes in Honduras, could he have attempted more than the one hijacking?
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« Reply #1760 on: April 15, 2018, 12:36:47 PM »
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Image of Hahneman (I only tinted the glasses he was wearing)
Latin appearance. Turkey neck. Slightly Marcelled hair on sides in other pics. Hair parted on Left. Age 49.

Voila - its a match!

Gobble Gobble..

Hahneman was an EE radar technician for Philco after his USAF time, exposure to Yttrium used in radar screens << researching this?

Hahneman was funding "political" causes in Honduras, could he have attempted more than the one hijacking?

No record of him ever surfing on the Columbia. Local surfers would remember that.

Sea salt on the tie implies he was a surfer. Maybe a dentist on a submarine?
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« Reply #1761 on: April 15, 2018, 12:46:03 PM »
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Image of Hahneman (I only tinted the glasses he was wearing)
Latin appearance. Turkey neck. Slightly Marcelled hair on sides in other pics. Hair parted on Left. Age 49.

Voila - its a match!

Gobble Gobble..

Hahneman was an EE radar technician for Philco after his USAF time, exposure to Yttrium used in radar screens << researching this?

Hahneman was funding "political" causes in Honduras, could he have attempted more than the one hijacking?

No record of him ever surfing on the Columbia. Local surfers would remember that.

Sea salt on the tie implies he was a surfer.

Georger, any info on why Hahneman was eliminated as a suspect?? WE now have the tie particle profile...


Hahaneman, a radar technician resided in Easton Pa. Lycopodium Clavatum aka club moss on tie also found there..  map in link.
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Also, 1967 NASA symposium on "ADVANCES IN DISPLAY MEDIA"

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tie particles mentioned...

cerium, Lanthanum, yttrium, Phosphorus, cadmium, vanadium, zinc, barium sulphate, tungsten, cobalt, iron, antimony, tin, lead, copper, mercury, bismuth, silicon, pigment


Forward
"The symposium on Advanced Display Media was the eighth in a series of technical meetings sponsored by the Electronics Research Center, NASA. It was the first NASA symposium held on display media. The attendance of more than 350 engineers and scientists from universities, industrial organiza- tions, and Government agencies reflects the increasing interest in improving displays in aeronautical and space vehicles and the continuing university- industry-Government relationship in aerospace technology.
Many of the techniques in display media discussed at the symposium and documented herein have been made possible by the tremendous advances in electronic technology in recent years., The application of digital computers to drive new displays has opened new vistas for engineers and scientists to im- prove the information available for astronauts and pilots to make decisions.
A unique feature of this seminar was the combination of theoretical papers and demonstrations of experimental or breadboard display devices by 31 aerospace research organizations.
The Advanced Display Media Symposium was one of a Continuing pro- gram of conferences and seminars planned by the Elecotronics Research Cen- ter, NASA, to expedite interchange of electronics research and technology."
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1762 on: April 15, 2018, 03:34:53 PM »
His nose goes off the chart like the ears of McCoy...the guy looks like Duane Weber if we are to suggest similarities in people....
 

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« Reply #1763 on: April 15, 2018, 04:05:33 PM »
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His nose goes off the chart like the ears of McCoy...the guy looks like Duane Weber if we are to suggest similarities in people....

The Cooper sketch does have a large Honker.  But not his large ears.  The marcelled hair is there, but doesn't look like it's 'partable' to one side.
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« Reply #1764 on: April 15, 2018, 04:09:35 PM »
I see an average nose on Cooper...this guy has 3 of them side by side...very wide nose..the marcelled hair is from a passenger who also claims the suit was rustic red I believe the color was..nobody else gave that color..specially the stews who had a reason to watch him...
 

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His nose goes off the chart like the ears of McCoy...the guy looks like Duane Weber if we are to suggest similarities in people....

Agree, that pic makes his nose look huge, but in this better pic his nose is the same size as the sketch, you can't exclude based on a bad pic.
 

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« Reply #1766 on: April 15, 2018, 04:12:29 PM »
If one witness out of 30 plus gave a suggestion Cooper was female would you run with that assumption?
 

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« Reply #1767 on: April 15, 2018, 04:14:49 PM »
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His nose goes off the chart like the ears of McCoy...the guy looks like Duane Weber if we are to suggest similarities in people....

Agree, that pic makes his nose look huge, but in this better pic his nose is the same size as the sketch, you can't exclude based on a bad pic.

can you provide the picture without the faded glasses...also appears to have work on the nose...can you provide the link to the photo?

Nobody ever claimed Cooper having a large nose, or even wide...
 

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If one witness out of 30 plus gave a suggestion Cooper was female would you run with that assumption?

I am not making assumptions, you are..
 

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His nose goes off the chart like the ears of McCoy...the guy looks like Duane Weber if we are to suggest similarities in people....

Agree, that pic makes his nose look huge, but in this better pic his nose is the same size as the sketch, you can't exclude based on a bad pic.

can you provide the picture without the faded glasses...also appears to have work on the nose...can you provide the link to the photo?

Nobody ever claimed Cooper having a large nose, or even wide...

I wasn't referring to Coopers nose,, I was referring to the bad pic you posted of Hahneman that made his nose look huge.

original pic of Hahneman... with regular glasses (cropped only)
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