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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1650 on: March 24, 2018, 10:57:01 PM »
I took a look on historical aerials and it goes back as far as 1951. a perimeter road can be seen...all airports have them as R99 explained..

you don't want people running around freely on the grounds..not good...
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1651 on: March 25, 2018, 02:56:25 AM »
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... I have no real sense of how large Portland airport was in 1971 so this is where it unravels for me personally; could you hide out there without notice in 1971? Any info here would help. I'd like the story to be as authentic as possible as far as locales of the era go....


PDX was the wide-open spaces, as I understand from Bill Rollins. Nor perimeter fencing, no perimeter road, vegetation along the Columbia to conceal a Zodiac in, etc. I suggest you contact him. He hasn't posted here in about a year, but his PM might still work.
Thank you, I might do that, and that could be useful in the story, but I was actually wondering more about the interior of the airport? I once slept overnight after a plane delay in Vancouver airport, and it was big enough by then that if I'd wanted to stay out of sight, I could have (though it would have been even more excruciatingly boring than trying to stay awake walking around off and on). Again, this is for fictional purposes, but could a person in 1971 have hung out in Portland airport overnight, ex. prior to a flight or between flights on different days, without being noticed? (I'm not suggesting Cooper did that - it seems more likely, again, that he was in Portland for a spell, because why bring a 'bomb' onto two flights?) It may be in the Carr files or Himmelsbach's book somewhere, but I'm also curious to know if they looked into places where dynamite/road flares could be bought in the Portland area.

From what I can find, Portland seems to have changed a great deal in the early 70s and before that was a much grittier city. Lots of vice and corruption, and the urban renewal, green spaces, waterfront renovation really got going around 1974, though the plans were in motion by about 1970. Interesting side stuff about how the anti-conscription White Panthers were active and how in '70 there was both a student strike and the blowing up of the copy of the Liberty Bell that was never solved. But I haven't been able to find any tourist map or guide to downtown Portland that gives a full picture of what businesses were where. I am very grateful that someone from the Portland area who knows the city and remembers its earlier incarnations has contacted me and may be able to give a clearer picture. It's daunting enough writing a story set in a city you've never visited, let alone one in the past. Surprisingly little video footage of Portland in that era outside that kid's Super-8 video.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1652 on: March 25, 2018, 03:05:08 AM »
I don't know if they looked into the facts about the bomb..they thought it could be flares, but they were easy to find, I believe during this time period..I think it would be like trying to track down where the tie clip came from..

I have a feeling it was fake..he stated he was worried that the planes radio might set it off..it appears he had it wired in a series, and when he claimed to touch the wires, boom..the circuit is broken, so nothing electrical would set it off. sounds like a battery with a detonator in the dynamite. very simple. no timer seen, or needed..
 
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1653 on: March 25, 2018, 03:09:37 AM »
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I have a feeling it was fake..he stated he was worried that the planes radio might set it off.

That statement appears to have multiple reasons..first, it makes the bomb sound real and puts more fear into the situation. second, he was trying to slow the communication down outside of the plane..a little mind control  :congrats:
 

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« Reply #1654 on: March 25, 2018, 03:18:52 AM »
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I have a feeling it was fake..he stated he was worried that the planes radio might set it off.

That statement appears to have multiple reasons..first, it makes the bomb sound real and puts more fear into the situation. second, he was trying to slow the communication down outside of the plane..a little mind control  :congrats:
Yeah, that part was interesting to me, too. I think your analysis is sound. And once again underlines the cleverness of this guy. It's the same as asking for the 4 chutes, seeding fears of a hostage being forced to jump alongside, and preventing any sabotage to the chutes while keeping his real game plan cloaked. His psychological game was so on-point.
 

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« Reply #1655 on: March 25, 2018, 03:24:57 AM »
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and preventing any sabotage to the chutes

That didn't workout to well for him if he had to use the front chute...no D-rings, and a little problem with the canopy. still hard to say if he found out the chute was bad...
 

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« Reply #1656 on: March 25, 2018, 03:28:25 AM »
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I have a feeling it was fake..he stated he was worried that the planes radio might set it off.

That statement appears to have multiple reasons..first, it makes the bomb sound real and puts more fear into the situation. second, he was trying to slow the communication down outside of the plane..a little mind control  :congrats:
Yeah, that part was interesting to me, too. I think your analysis is sound. And once again underlines the cleverness of this guy. It's the same as asking for the 4 chutes, seeding fears of a hostage being forced to jump alongside, and preventing any sabotage to the chutes while keeping his real game plan cloaked. His psychological game was so on-point.

Glad you and Cooper talked it out for you to know - the rest of us are still in the dark!  8) Just as the FAA psychiatrist was! Fact is, you are just guessing.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1657 on: March 25, 2018, 03:30:24 AM »
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and preventing any sabotage to the chutes

That didn't workout to well for him if he had to use the front chute...no D-rings, and a little problem with the canopy. still hard to say if he found out the chute was bad...
Hm, yes, I wish I knew more about skydiving, but I don't wish it enough to actually do it! Out of curiosity, how frequently is the reserve chute used/needed?
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« Reply #1658 on: March 25, 2018, 03:32:38 AM »
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and preventing any sabotage to the chutes

That didn't workout to well for him if he had to use the front chute...no D-rings, and a little problem with the canopy. still hard to say if he found out the chute was bad...
Hm, yes, I wish I knew more about skydiving, but I don't wish it enough to actually do it! Out of curiosity, how frequently is the reserve chute used?

I've never skydived, but they are used when shit hits the fan..I believe 377 has had a time or two and needed the front chute..
 
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« Reply #1659 on: March 25, 2018, 03:36:05 AM »
I bungee jumped 270 feet  O0

Radio station wanted to hear what it sounds like while jumping..first guy took the phone with him and lost it on the way down..I taped it to my palm...they had a crane on the Fort Lauderdale beach...this was back in the early 90's...
 

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« Reply #1660 on: March 25, 2018, 03:38:18 AM »
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I bungee jumped 270 feet  O0

Radio station wanted to hear what it sounds like while jumping..first guy took the phone with him and lost it on the way down..I taped it to my palm...they had a crane on the Fort Lauderdale beach...this was back in the early 90's...
I'm such a chicken. Closest I ever got to parachuting was parasailing. It was so peaceful. My 70+ mother, however, did manage the bungee jump.
 

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« Reply #1661 on: March 25, 2018, 03:40:17 AM »
I was going to do it again but the accidents started just after I did my jump..my career in bungee jumping came to a halt..
 

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« Reply #1662 on: March 25, 2018, 03:46:06 AM »
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I was going to do it again but the accidents started just after I did my jump..my career in bungee jumping came to a halt..
I used to say if I got near 90 I'd do all the things I was mortally scared to do in my youth - take opium or acid and do a skydive. But then I read how they wouldn't let Petey do it anymore and may just have to leave them undone, because it'll take me a good 40 years to work up the nerve. ;)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1663 on: March 25, 2018, 03:49:46 AM »
This might be a deal breaker lol

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1664 on: March 25, 2018, 04:37:07 AM »
Next vid up had the grandmother describe what happened and what it was like. She was shook up but not injured. Amazing.