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Offline Shutter

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1605 on: March 03, 2018, 10:26:27 AM »
McNally seems to be cool as a cucumber..he took a nap in the dropzone. he speaks of just missing two fences with barbed wire on them..he sat on the steps looking below, and then cloud cover below formed causing him to lose visual with the ground but jumped anyway...he didn't start a countdown, he just estimated the time to deploy.

while walking away from the DZ. a sheriff stopped him on the road, asked him some questions and ended up giving him a ride into town. must of been sheriff Israel  :rofl: the hijacking was brought up while driving into town..prior to the sheriff, McNally looked at plates while cars were passing to find out where he was...

Time should be taken to listen to this interview..if you really want to understand a criminal, or a hijackers mind..this is critical information..
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1606 on: March 03, 2018, 11:23:23 AM »
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If he died, however, someone was suddenly missing. A car went abandoned. A renter stopped paying. A mortgage went into default. Utility bills stacked up unpaid. A friend or relative disappeared. Those things should have been noticed and tied to a possible suspect who looked even a little bit like the sketches.

That's the way I feel about it, but of course I like the story a lot more when it ends with him walking out of the woods.

377's remarks could also suggest that Cooper did not live in the northwest even though he was familiar with the Seattle area.  Maybe Cooper had spent a lot of time out of the USA just before the hijacking.

all of this can be troubling to say the least, yes, he could of been from outside the U.S. explains no missing body. he could of been a loner, no car, no bills etc. the most troubling is money showing up miles from where the plane was plotted..

McCoy made the jump with no problem...McNally had issue's but was going much faster, but still survived. statistics seem to be in Cooper's favor with survival. I still can't say one way or the other. something should have been found by now. McCoy was experienced, McNally was not, but we have two out of two making it..

The FBI will admit they really don't know exactly where he jumped. this is troubling..search teams stated many area's had thick brush and couldn't see very far in front of them..where they in the right area? if the flight path is correct one could only say he got away...the no pull would have given results with finding his body easily...(if the path is correct)
 

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« Reply #1607 on: March 03, 2018, 11:58:43 AM »
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If he died, however, someone was suddenly missing. A car went abandoned. A renter stopped paying. A mortgage went into default. Utility bills stacked up unpaid. A friend or relative disappeared. Those things should have been noticed and tied to a possible suspect who looked even a little bit like the sketches.

That's the way I feel about it, but of course I like the story a lot more when it ends with him walking out of the woods.

377's remarks could also suggest that Cooper did not live in the northwest even though he was familiar with the Seattle area.  Maybe Cooper had spent a lot of time out of the USA just before the hijacking.

No missing person ever matched the dna or prints. Ever.


No non-missing person ever matched the dna or prints. Ever.

If Cooper's DNA or prints were not in any USA database (assuming those databases were complete, and they were not in 1971) then it suggests that Cooper did not come from the USA.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1608 on: March 03, 2018, 04:06:53 PM »
With the McNally case, a farmer did find the bag of money (intact) he didn't touch it..the airlines wanted to give him a $10,000 reward, he refused saying it should be more...he ended up taking the money but according to McNally, it destroyed his family..

The plane was traveling at 300 mph..

He searched out the best fit airport for his crime...others had to much security so he picked Lambert..TWA had metal detectors but nobody was monitoring them...

He said he originally wanted to bring extra magazines for the weapon but was too much weight in the briefcase..he turned a rifle into a pistol so it would fit..he also had a small caliber handgun in his pocket..
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1609 on: March 03, 2018, 05:09:38 PM »
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If he died, however, someone was suddenly missing. A car went abandoned. A renter stopped paying. A mortgage went into default. Utility bills stacked up unpaid. A friend or relative disappeared. Those things should have been noticed and tied to a possible suspect who looked even a little bit like the sketches.

That's the way I feel about it, but of course I like the story a lot more when it ends with him walking out of the woods.

377's remarks could also suggest that Cooper did not live in the northwest even though he was familiar with the Seattle area.  Maybe Cooper had spent a lot of time out of the USA just before the hijacking.

No missing person ever matched the dna or prints. Ever.


No non-missing person ever matched the dna or prints. Ever.

If Cooper's DNA or prints were not in any USA database (assuming those databases were complete, and they were not in 1971) then it suggests that Cooper did not come from the USA.

We know virtually nothing about what data bases were available and searched.  Files mention a folio of prints that were being used for suspect comparison but the number and nature of those prints is unclear .. one print is even described as possibly a thumb or palm print?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1610 on: March 03, 2018, 05:13:20 PM »
I agree with the Shut - the YouTube videos on McNally are exceptionally informing as to the mind of a criminal and a skyjacker. It's not always a pretty listen, though. In fact, it is downright tough. One-hour's worth was all I could handle. I heard the whole story through the landing in the farm field in Indiana and the helo flying overhead while he was sleeping in his parachute in a forest.

The interviewers are also two guys who are pretty skeazy themselves.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1611 on: March 03, 2018, 05:16:27 PM »
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I agree with the Shut - the YouTube videos on McNally are exceptionally informing as to the mind of a criminal and a skyjacker. It's not always a pretty listen, though. In fact, it is downright tough. The interviewers are also two guys who are pretty skeazy themselves. They LOVE talking with criminals! I'd hate to hear one of their interviews with a sexual predator. It would be downright ugly.

mind of a criminal and a skyjacker

Is there only one kind?  8)  Is there a standard head shape?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1612 on: March 03, 2018, 05:17:32 PM »
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I agree with the Shut - the YouTube videos on McNally are exceptionally informing as to the mind of a criminal and a skyjacker. It's not always a pretty listen, though. In fact, it is downright tough. The interviewers are also two guys who are pretty skeazy themselves. They LOVE talking with criminals! I'd hate to hear one of their interviews with a sexual predator. It would be downright ugly.

mind of a criminal and a skyjacker

Is there only one kind?  8)

Nope. Why do you ask?
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1613 on: March 03, 2018, 05:18:58 PM »
criminals don't usually associate themselves with predator's..you are trying to mix everything into one bowl believing they would enjoy such an interview...the only place they accept predators is Hollywood...
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« Reply #1614 on: March 03, 2018, 05:23:01 PM »
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I agree with the Shut - the YouTube videos on McNally are exceptionally informing as to the mind of a criminal and a skyjacker. It's not always a pretty listen, though. In fact, it is downright tough. The interviewers are also two guys who are pretty skeazy themselves. They LOVE talking with criminals! I'd hate to hear one of their interviews with a sexual predator. It would be downright ugly.

mind of a criminal and a skyjacker

Is there only one kind?  8)

Nope. Why do you ask?

You posted so fast I hadnt finished the post -  go back and try again. 
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1615 on: March 03, 2018, 05:38:16 PM »
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I agree with the Shut - the YouTube videos on McNally are exceptionally informing as to the mind of a criminal and a skyjacker. It's not always a pretty listen, though. In fact, it is downright tough. One-hour's worth was all I could handle. I heard the whole story through the landing in the farm field in Indiana and the helo flying overhead while he was sleeping in his parachute in a forest.

The interviewers are also two guys who are pretty skeazy themselves.


what is that you wish to hear..how productive he was in the community? these guys are criminals, not school teachers. this is what they do..if you have trouble listening to people like him, you are in the wrong business..

People want to believe Cooper is some sort of a saint..he threatened to blow up a plane full of people..you might not want to interview Cooper (if found) either once you hear his story..I seriously doubt Cooper attempted this because of airline strikes..or just plain pissed off at the world...criminals are dumb in all sorts of ways...a serial killer always feels superior over others..

I listened to all 7 parts..nothing "disturbed" me what so ever? I've read, and seen far worse than this guy..if anything can be credited to McNally, it would be his piece of kindness allowing everyone off the plane except one person that volunteered..he watched a woman who refused to leave her husband when he told the crew to release the women and children. he then changed his mind and wanted everyone off the plane except one volunteer..he was very dedicated in the mission. he pointed his weapon at a passenger who was staring at him..he made sure to let him know he meant business..these guys are not doing this as an act..

These are criminal acts...not a daycare center operator....
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1616 on: March 03, 2018, 08:43:21 PM »
I understand.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1617 on: March 03, 2018, 09:01:45 PM »
I'm curious, what was so bad that caused you to stop listening to the interview? I found McNally interesting. you might even say typical when it comes to a criminal..he fooled me...I seen a young kid in trouble, but I never really looked into his case to see the real McNally..that could very well be the problem with Cooper..McNally got exactly what he deserved..

McNally might not be truthful in all his statements...criminals lie..he seemed sincere, but so did Ted Bundy...



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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1618 on: March 03, 2018, 11:19:10 PM »
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I'm curious, what was so bad that caused you to stop listening to the interview? I found McNally interesting. you might even say typical when it comes to a criminal..he fooled me...I seen a young kid in trouble, but I never really looked into his case to see the real McNally..that could very well be the problem with Cooper..McNally got exactly what he deserved..

McNally might not be truthful in all his statements...criminals lie..he seemed sincere, but so did Ted Bundy...

There was a general feeling of creepiness about McNally, the interviewers, and the podcast. It was hard for me to listen, to accept that they were saying. Yes, McNally was honest and transparent, but he also presented a morally unhealthy perspective.

I never heard him apologize or recognize the anxiety he caused among so many. He presented a strange detachment  - and so did the hosts. Their advertisements for cruising all the mafia hotspots in Chicago - seeing where the crimes happened and how they were conducted - felt creepy, too.

None of this occurred when I spoke with Robb Heady, nor when he came to the WSHM and Ariel.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1619 on: March 03, 2018, 11:20:13 PM »
Shut, do any of the podcasts describe how and why McNally was released from prison?