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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1095 on: July 12, 2016, 04:40:22 PM »
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Is "revealed in due course" code for "buy the book?"

That's not a question for me. I placed my pre-order via Amazon today.
 

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« Reply #1096 on: July 13, 2016, 12:08:51 AM »
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well, this is interesting. How many years will it take for Tom to reveal "his evidence", on flight path or anything else, and why the long delay?

I wont even bother to ask you for your opinion(s) on anything given your statement above, but I do hope you understand why some of us sit and wonder, wait and wonder, wonder and wait ... in what started as a simple mandate to "look at the money" back in 2008 but somehow branched out to a review of the whole Cooper case. 

That's a question for Tom. In my estimation, he is looking at the case from a different perspective than most.
I DO have questions, but the suspect's international travel history and time in the "drug industry" help explain the major nag - where did the money go...
My opinion - the evidence against his suspect has strength - stronger than any other DBC suspect I've researched - and merits trial.
But that's not my decision to make - just my opinion. The American justice system will have to "do its thing..."
I'd wager he will be revealing more at the L.A. press conference tomorrow (I won't be in attendance due to work commitment here near DC).
The story is NOT , by any means, over...

There is nothing I can say about gestation periods in species -  my grandmother at Vancouver whose family was involved in the Cooper affair lived to be 101. She gave an interview to a number of newspapers with some of her poetry at 100. She shared some of her poetry with Dona at the Ariel Store. None of that has any application here except to note that my grandmother would have advised Tom Kaye to, "Get it in gear son. Life doesn't last forever."!

Yes, had Colbert placed deWinter at Eugene instead of Corvallis sleeping on couches, his case might have gone a different direction with different results we all seek. It's all in the record documented by FAA and FBI reports. Cases sometimes hinge on small insignificant pieces of evidence, small facts ignored. Or, maybe deWinter was in Corvallis while DB Cooper was in Eugene ... the week before. But we will never know so there is no rush on Tom's results whatever! 2045 would be fine!  :)) 
 

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1097 on: August 20, 2016, 02:13:58 PM »
Some have claimed over the years that ‘Cooper’ pulled off a victimless crime.  Victimless crime? 

Did ‘Cooper’ through his actions reveal to members of the public what was in 1971 considered to be a military secret, that being the jump capability of a 727 and the specific flight parameters required to do so?  If I am not mistaken, that is Treason.  Did he put military troops and operations at risk through his selfish actions?  Did anyone have a loved one come home in a casket as a result of this transgression of trust?

What about the Flight Crew, passengers, and Ground Ops during the crisis?  What about the countless man-hours and resources dedicated to the case over the decades wasted on a lowlife treasonous scumbag like him?  What other grief has he doled-out in his miserable existence?  My educated guess is there is a trail of destruction behind this greasy piece of human fecal matter.

Think about the ‘Folk Hero’ on Memorial Day.

 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1098 on: August 20, 2016, 02:29:00 PM »
I don't think it's a "victimless" crime at all. Flo was looking under her car for a bomb fearing Cooper was going to get her..imagine if the passengers found out before the plane landed?

Perhaps this was a reason why nobody cared to support the Ariel Tavern. should anyone really be celebrating a guy who threatened to blowup a plane full of passengers? personally, I don't have a problem with that, but others might. the Tavern has it's own set of followers that are local to Ariel. a handful drift in from the outside.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1099 on: August 20, 2016, 02:52:08 PM »
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Some have claimed over the years that ‘Cooper’ pulled off a victimless crime.  Victimless crime? 

Did ‘Cooper’ through his actions reveal to members of the public what was in 1971 considered to be a military secret, that being the jump capability of a 727 and the specific flight parameters required to do so?  If I am not mistaken, that is Treason.  Did he put military troops and operations at risk through his selfish actions?  Did anyone have a loved one come home in a casket as a result of this transgression of trust?

What about the Flight Crew, passengers, and Ground Ops during the crisis?  What about the countless man-hours and resources dedicated to the case over the decades wasted on a lowlife treasonous scumbag like him?  What other grief has he doled-out in his miserable existence?  My educated guess is there is a trail of destruction behind this greasy piece of human fecal matter.

Think about the ‘Folk Hero’ on Memorial Day.

Okay, 'Spector, you're angry. I get that. But why are you here? What attracts you to the DB Cooper story?

Further, why do you think others celebrate Cooper as a Folk Hero?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1100 on: August 21, 2016, 01:04:46 PM »
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I don't think it's a "victimless" crime at all. Flo was looking under her car for a bomb fearing Cooper was going to get her..imagine if the passengers found out before the plane landed?

Perhaps this was a reason why nobody cared to support the Ariel Tavern. should anyone really be celebrating a guy who threatened to blowup a plane full of passengers? personally, I don't have a problem with that, but others might. the Tavern has it's own set of followers that are local to Ariel. a handful drift in from the outside.

Yes, by all accounts there were lasting impacts on the victims closest to the event.

Do you suppose the terrorist hijacker used “Dan Cooper†as his alias, because the initials DC rhyme with VC?  That is who he was working for when he pulled off that stunt letting the world know about the capabilities of all those 727’s plying the airways in SEA at that time.  Perhaps we should start calling ‘Cooper’ Charlie.  It would be another good reason for him to hide in Canada.

I guess he may have been a ‘Folk Hero’ after all ---- to the NVA.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1101 on: August 21, 2016, 05:23:33 PM »
Maybe this November we should move the DB Cooper Festival to Ho Chi Minh City. I hear that Ariel will not be hosting the annual Thanksgiving Day celebration any more.

Does this make Robert Blevins the Jane Fonda of Norjak?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1102 on: August 21, 2016, 05:37:34 PM »
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Maybe this November we should move the DB Cooper Festival to Ho Chi Minh City. I hear that Ariel will not be hosting the annual Thanksgiving Day celebration any more.

Does this make Robert Blevins the Jane Fonda of Norjak?


I believe that's only this year, but you need to check with Ms. Fonda  :)) :)) :))

Don't confuse Bobby with ownership of the Tavern...
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1103 on: September 09, 2016, 08:04:11 AM »
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The problems I'm seeing in this topic area is questions that could be asked on the existing topics. Sailshaw could of easily asked his question under the Flight path thread. it's hard to narrow down a basic question while we have existing areas where they can be asked already in place. perhaps this topic should be removed, or locked for the time being?

Thoughts?



Most, but not all, of my questions could be put into categories. However, I think a case can be made for having a Q&A thread like this so people can go to one place to seek answers to specific questions without changing the trajectories of existing threads. It's something I noticed on DZ, there would be a few pages of good information, and it would get derailed by something like a question or inane comment and the discussion stops and devolves to meaninglessness.

How about a FAQ category with keyword search?  Facts of the case should be at the top.  Then branch out to the often-repeated information that turns up so much of the time.  Meyer
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1104 on: September 09, 2016, 01:47:34 PM »
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The problems I'm seeing in this topic area is questions that could be asked on the existing topics. Sailshaw could of easily asked his question under the Flight path thread. it's hard to narrow down a basic question while we have existing areas where they can be asked already in place. perhaps this topic should be removed, or locked for the time being?

Thoughts?



Most, but not all, of my questions could be put into categories. However, I think a case can be made for having a Q&A thread like this so people can go to one place to seek answers to specific questions without changing the trajectories of existing threads. It's something I noticed on DZ, there would be a few pages of good information, and it would get derailed by something like a question or inane comment and the discussion stops and devolves to meaninglessness.

How about a FAQ category with keyword search?  Facts of the case should be at the top.  Then branch out to the often-repeated information that turns up so much of the time.  Meyer

I have a feeling the software that runs this website determines the Search engine, which is probably generic and not changeable? 
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1105 on: September 09, 2016, 05:00:56 PM »
I will look on SMF's website and see if they have any mods for the search engines....
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1106 on: October 20, 2016, 07:51:11 PM »
Rackstraw says that he had lunch and a model airplane in that paper bag he brought onboard with him



I removed the phone number attached to your attachment. please don't post any phone numbers on this forum.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1107 on: October 20, 2016, 08:53:41 PM »
What value does the post above this one give?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1108 on: October 20, 2016, 09:51:55 PM »
What was for lunch, DG?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1109 on: October 26, 2016, 08:57:07 PM »
Heres's a general question about the case:  What happened to the briefcase? 

That is something I have thought about occasionally.  This one thing seems to get passed over a lot.  Often, it's briefly mentioned that Cooper must have taken it with him and it's with the parachute and/or money and/or Cooper himself. 

What happened to the briefcase?   Answer:  It's still out there!  I believe it's somewhere in the vicinity of the placard find and where Cooper allegedly jumped (at 8:13), on V-23.  So, Jerry Thomas needs to assemble a search crew, get me help him, and then we need to go look for it, find it, and be forever remembered in Cooper folklore.  But wait.....I'm getting a little carried away and ahead of myself.

Reason with me:  If he really did have a bomb -- the good stuff that goes boom and kills everybody  -- then he surely wouldn't take it with him.  He most likely would dis-assemble it as harmless as was possible, then he would chuck it out the back door.  If it wasn't really a bomb, just road flares, say, he'd keep the flares (for building a fire and keeping warm in some cave after the landing) and chuck the briefcase -- because it has already served its purpose and it would only be dead weight from here on. 

But...what if Cooper took the briefcase with him?  He's already got a back chute, the X chute, and a bag of money attached to his waste.  He's already bogged down.  Question: did he just hang on to the briefcase by its handle or did he wrap his arms around it and hold it close on the jump?  Either way, in my mind's eye, he wouldn't have been able to hang on to it.  If he was hanging on to the briefcase by the handle, that 200 mph wind would have ripped the handle right off the briefcase on the jump, and the briefcase would go flailing violently into the wind and darkness.  If he was holding the briefcase close to his person, same result (I have no data to back up this claim -- I once saw a demo of guy trying to hold on to a pumpkin in the back seat of a car hitting a wall at 40 mph -- it was impossible to hold on to the pumpkin.  A different kind of energy here with the jump, but you get the idea -- all that energy all at once -- would he have been able to hang on to the briefcase?  In my humble, non-expert opinion, no). 

Besides, the well-being of the briefcase would not have been his top priority -- he was more worried about surviving the jump, getting the chute to open, not going into a violent spin, and not losing all that money.  So, either way, the briefcase most likely went flying into the darkness, violently thrown about by the wind.   

In short, no matter what Cooper decided to do with the briefcase -- chuck it before the jump or take it with him and lose it on the jump -- the briefcase went flying into the darkness, violently tossed about by the violent winds.  It most likely occurred somewhere close to the placard location and when Cooper allegedly jumped -- times we know the aft door had to be open and up to the moment he jumped.  The briefcase is still out there.  I think it will be found some day -- if it's not hopelessly buried under thick briar bushes at the bottom of some canyon  -- thereby rendering it "un-findable."

A big to do about not much....

Meyer