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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1080 on: July 12, 2016, 01:51:25 PM »
I have a few questions about the serial numbers of the bills and the manner in which they were monitored....

1. What was the system used by banks to screen for the Cooper bills? Did banks have some sort of scanning machine in which all $20 bills were filtered through to check for any guilty serial numbers?

2. Did every single bank in the U.S. perform this protocol?

3. How long was this screening process in place for? Just a few months after the hijacking? Several years?

Much has been made about how none of the bills ever turned up in circulation. I was wondering if anyone has any details about the screening process and how tightly guarded that process was.

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1081 on: July 12, 2016, 02:35:01 PM »
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I have a few questions about the serial numbers of the bills and the manner in which they were monitored....

1. What was the system used by banks to screen for the Cooper bills? Did banks have some sort of scanning machine in which all $20 bills were filtered through to check for any guilty serial numbers?

2. Did every single bank in the U.S. perform this protocol?

3. How long was this screening process in place for? Just a few months after the hijacking? Several years?

Much has been made about how none of the bills ever turned up in circulation. I was wondering if anyone has any details about the screening process and how tightly guarded that process was.

Thanks!!


It's my understanding they didn't look very long for the bills. imagine every 20 that past through the bank? I doubt many cooperated as the banks got further away from Washington..

The system they used was 33 pages, I believe, of serial numbers on the pages. I think it was 200 on each page.

Agent Carr stated that the money could of easily got through. the numbers were recorded more for prosecution purposes.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1082 on: July 12, 2016, 02:42:01 PM »
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« Reply #1083 on: July 12, 2016, 02:47:00 PM »
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1084 on: July 12, 2016, 02:49:34 PM »
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1085 on: July 12, 2016, 02:53:56 PM »
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I thought that was you  :P very cool to have you aboard....

Thank ya... As a further note, I was a member of Tom's team, searching for aviation-related documents and records. While I won't go into any detail, I will say the best evidence , IMHO, didn't make it on the show.
Presently, in my professional life, I am a staff writer for a major aviation organization on the East Coast, as well as commercial pilot, flight instructor, "aviation archaeologist", and so on.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1086 on: July 12, 2016, 03:04:05 PM »
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I have a few questions about the serial numbers of the bills and the manner in which they were monitored....

1. What was the system used by banks to screen for the Cooper bills? Did banks have some sort of scanning machine in which all $20 bills were filtered through to check for any guilty serial numbers?

2. Did every single bank in the U.S. perform this protocol?

3. How long was this screening process in place for? Just a few months after the hijacking? Several years?

Much has been made about how none of the bills ever turned up in circulation. I was wondering if anyone has any details about the screening process and how tightly guarded that process was.

Thanks!!


It's my understanding they didn't look very long for the bills. imagine every 20 that past through the bank? I doubt many cooperated as the banks got further away from Washington..

The system they used was 33 pages, I believe, of serial numbers on the pages. I think it was 200 on each page.

Agent Carr stated that the money could of easily got through. the numbers were recorded more for prosecution purposes.

So bank employees were expected to manually check the number of every $20 bill that came through the doors?? Yikes. I can't imagine many banks would've been very diligent about this. Perhaps the banks in the immediate area in the time frame immediately following the hijacking. But a bank that's 6 states away 6 months following the hijacking? I just can't imagine an employee taking the time to manually check a list of numbers.

I wonder why the argument that the money was never spent -- or could never be spent -- still seems to retain so much merit?

According to the federal reserve, the average lifespan of a $20 bill is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login (this was data from 2013, so perhaps quite different than data from the 1970s). As bills were taken out of circulation due to wear and tear, I wonder if the reserve performed this screening process for all $20 bills from the years that were used for the Cooper money? Let's say the money never entered a bank until 1975. By then, the banks had stopped the screening process (especially a bank on the other side of the country). A few years later when those bills started to be filtered out of circulation by the federal reserve, what if the serial numbers were not screened then either?

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1087 on: July 12, 2016, 03:06:21 PM »
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1088 on: July 12, 2016, 03:06:47 PM »
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I thought that was you  :P very cool to have you aboard....

Thank ya... As a further note, I was a member of Tom's team, searching for aviation-related documents and records. While I won't go into any detail, I will say the best evidence , IMHO, didn't make it on the show.
Presently, in my professional life, I am a staff writer for a major aviation organization on the East Coast, as well as commercial pilot, flight instructor, "aviation archaeologist", and so on.

Please share what you can.  We're all interested in new insights.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1089 on: July 12, 2016, 03:11:28 PM »
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...I wonder why the argument that the money was never spent -- or could never be spent -- still seems to retain so much merit?

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It begs the question of what "spent" really means, Raoul. An estimated 40 percent of the world economy takes place in the "black market" world, which is presumed to have its own banking system. This dynamic is not well-reported or understood, but my understanding is that clean money, such as Cooper's ransom, could enter the black market banking system and stay there.

When one considers the amount of illegal activity in the world: drugs, sex trafficking, bribery, guns and weapons, political pay-offs, etc., that's a lot of cash that needs to stay hidden.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1090 on: July 12, 2016, 03:18:06 PM »
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Thank ya... As a further note, I was a member of Tom's team, searching for aviation-related documents and records. While I won't go into any detail, I will say the best evidence , IMHO, didn't make it on the show.
Presently, in my professional life, I am a staff writer for a major aviation organization on the East Coast, as well as commercial pilot, flight instructor, "aviation archaeologist", and so on.

Please share what you can.  We're all interested in new insights.

Out of respect for Tom and the whole team, I leave that for him to decide what/when/where to share the insights discovered. He (and, again, the entire team) has put a lot into the effort, and he should be the one to make that call.
Until then...
I am certain it'll all be revealed in due course.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1091 on: July 12, 2016, 03:20:56 PM »
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I thought that was you  :P very cool to have you aboard....

Really?  You thought?  lol


Ok, Vicki told me, I didn't have time to check, or verify the account..... :))
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1092 on: July 12, 2016, 04:17:25 PM »
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I thought that was you  :P very cool to have you aboard....

Thank ya... As a further note, I was a member of Tom's team, searching for aviation-related documents and records. While I won't go into any detail, I will say the best evidence , IMHO, didn't make it on the show.
Presently, in my professional life, I am a staff writer for a major aviation organization on the East Coast, as well as commercial pilot, flight instructor, "aviation archaeologist", and so on.

well, this is interesting. How many years will it take for Tom to reveal "his evidence", on flight path or anything else, and why the long delay?

I wont even bother to ask you for your opinion(s) on anything given your statement above, but I do hope you understand why some of us sit and wonder, wait and wonder, wonder and wait ... in what started as a simple mandate to "look at the money" back in 2008 but somehow branched out to a review of the whole Cooper case.

I mean for my puzzlement but generally its been my experience when the FBI asks us to look at 'this or that' we stick to that mandate and look at 'this or that'. We dont branch out to review the whole universe of a matter. Example: the guys at PSU, USGS, USCE .... did not issue reports on the flight path - or anything else.

I guess Im just old-fashioned.

I dont know what else to say.  O0 :))    Im just one person. I would never pretend to try and replace the whole Philharmonic or claim expertise on every instrument? Congratulations on the universality of "the team". Ive never been to Trump Tower. I hear its a big place. Takes lots of time to get from the door to the Penthouse? Send us a photo or two from the view at the top?  :))   
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1093 on: July 12, 2016, 04:30:22 PM »
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Thank ya... As a further note, I was a member of Tom's team, searching for aviation-related documents and records. While I won't go into any detail, I will say the best evidence , IMHO, didn't make it on the show.
Presently, in my professional life, I am a staff writer for a major aviation organization on the East Coast, as well as commercial pilot, flight instructor, "aviation archaeologist", and so on.

Please share what you can.  We're all interested in new insights.

Out of respect for Tom and the whole team, I leave that for him to decide what/when/where to share the insights discovered. He (and, again, the entire team) has put a lot into the effort, and he should be the one to make that call.
Until then...
I am certain it'll all be revealed in due course.

Is "revealed in due course" code for "buy the book?"
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1094 on: July 12, 2016, 04:38:42 PM »
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well, this is interesting. How many years will it take for Tom to reveal "his evidence", on flight path or anything else, and why the long delay?

I wont even bother to ask you for your opinion(s) on anything given your statement above, but I do hope you understand why some of us sit and wonder, wait and wonder, wonder and wait ... in what started as a simple mandate to "look at the money" back in 2008 but somehow branched out to a review of the whole Cooper case. 

That's a question for Tom. In my estimation, he is looking at the case from a different perspective than most.
I DO have questions, but the suspect's international travel history and time in the "drug industry" help explain the major nag - where did the money go...
My opinion - the evidence against his suspect has strength - stronger than any other DBC suspect I've researched - and merits trial.
But that's not my decision to make - just my opinion. The American justice system will have to "do its thing..."
I'd wager he will be revealing more at the L.A. press conference tomorrow (I won't be in attendance due to work commitment here near DC).
The story is NOT , by any means, over...