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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1065 on: June 06, 2016, 12:57:12 AM »
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What time do you have for him calling forward to have the plane slowed ?


I'd have to check my notes, and re-read GG, Himms and Tosaw, but I think it was 8:05. Why do you ask?
 

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« Reply #1066 on: June 06, 2016, 01:12:02 AM »
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What time do you have for him calling forward to have the plane slowed ?


I'd have to check my notes, and re-read GG, Himms and Tosaw, but I think it was 8:05. Why do you ask?

I ask because 8:05 is the last comm according to Rtzk. Anderson however said there was one more call from Cooper after 8:05 which specifically asked them to slow and level the plane. The 8:05 call was initiated from the front and Cooper didn't answer right away, as Carr explained it. ??   
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1067 on: June 06, 2016, 01:18:58 AM »
Ah, yes. I remember that. I'm tracking down Andy these days. If I get a hold of him, I'll ask for a clarification.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1068 on: June 06, 2016, 01:19:49 AM »
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  Was the money kept in the janitor's closet or the break room refrigerator?


Is this a real question, R99? Or just the Forum's snarkiest comment of the month?

I recall Carr saying that the FBI's access to the money was actually an unfettered access to a bank employee who could retrieve the moolah from a secured area within the bank. It was my understanding that a designated bank employee was "on-call" to the FBI 24/7 to retrieve their money, and that this system was in place around the country in something like 200 banks and their corresponding FBI field offices.

It begs the question of what former FBI Assistant Director Tom Fuentes did for his 60-odd field offices that he set up around the world before he retired to become a TV talking head, in his effort to establish a global presence for the Bureau. For instance, what does the FBI do in Europe during hostage negotiations and the hijacker wants US cash? Do local bank stockpile Franklins? Or do they just pay in Euros and tell the hj to take a hike? Hmmm. I understand the Somali pirates are pretty picky. I wonder what the Boys of Isis prefer?

This whole process of developing active FBI field offices around the world - 180 or so are currently projected - has lots of interesting details to resolve, such as whose money do they stash, and who can get it. The global expansion of the FBI is perhaps the biggest un-reported, or under-reported, news story that I have come across. Maybe when I'm finished with the 3rd Edition I'll look into it.
 

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« Reply #1069 on: June 06, 2016, 01:26:05 AM »
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What time do you have for him calling forward to have the plane slowed ?


I'd have to check my notes, and re-read GG, Himms and Tosaw, but I think it was 8:05. Why do you ask?

I ask because 8:05 is the last comm according to Rtzk. Anderson however said there was one more call from Cooper after 8:05 which specifically asked them to slow and level the plane. The 8:05 call was initiated from the front and Cooper didn't answer right away, as Carr explained it. ??

The airplane was already level at 10,000 feet (or very close to it), so the only thing left to do was slow it down.  In fact, the crew reported being level at 10,000 feet at 7:53:34 PM PST, at which time it was well north of the Mayfield/Malay Intersection and almost 20 minutes before Cooper is assumed to have jumped.
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« Reply #1070 on: June 06, 2016, 01:32:12 AM »
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  Was the money kept in the janitor's closet or the break room refrigerator?


Is this a real question, R99? Or just the Forum's snarkiest comment of the month?

I recall Carr saying that the FBI's access to the money was actually an unfettered access to a bank employee who could retrieve the moolah from a secured area within the bank. It was my understanding that a designated bank employee was "on-call" to the FBI 24/7 to retrieve their money, and that this system was in place around the country in something like 200 banks and their corresponding FBI field offices.

It begs the question of what former FBI Assistant Director Tom Fuentes did for his 60-odd field offices that he set up around the world before he retired to become a TV talking head, in his effort to establish a global presence for the Bureau. For instance, what does the FBI do in Europe during hostage negotiations and the hijacker wants US cash? Do local bank stockpile Franklins? Or do they just pay in Euros and tell the hj to take a hike? Hmmm. I understand the Somali pirates are pretty picky. I wonder what the Boys of Isis prefer?

This whole process of developing active FBI field offices around the world - 180 or so are currently projected - has lots of interesting details to resolve, such as whose money do they stash, and who can get it. The global expansion of the FBI is perhaps the biggest un-reported, or under-reported, news story that I have come across. Maybe when I'm finished with the 3rd Edition I'll look into it.

Snarky comment?  What's that?

Based on information in the recently hacked Panama Papers, the vast majority of white collar criminals (including the Russians and Middle East types) prefer their rewards to be converted to US dollars as fast as possible.
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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1071 on: June 06, 2016, 12:44:27 PM »
Carr made another statement about where the money came from. this one is in the WSHM PDF..page 13

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The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of America. The money came from a fund that had been developed for situations like the Cooper hijacking. Seafirst security packaged the money (all of the serial numbers on the bills had been prerecorded by Seafirst) into a white cloth bag with no zipper or draw string.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1072 on: June 06, 2016, 10:27:16 PM »
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I've often wondered if Cooper opened the first chute without really checking out the other one. That perhaps he did recognize it as a dummy chute, but only after he had opened and cut up the other one.

That is my thought as well.  In his frustration over the money not arriving as requested he could have lost his cool and cut up the good chute before looking at the other one.  Of course he also wore loafers which hints at DB not knowing much about skydiving.  After all he could easily have worn boots with his suite.

I know I was kind of posting in the wrong place but wanted to get the direction away from personalities and back to the case.  8) 
 

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« Reply #1073 on: June 06, 2016, 10:45:49 PM »
The stews witnessed him acting childish once the money arrived. I don't think the bag would throw him off of things he should be aware of if he was experienced. the dummy chute was sewn chute at the panels making it easy to retrieve and pack. it should of be noticeable, but then again, the person giving the chute out missed it as well. there was no way to even attach the front chutes.

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He tried to secure the money in the functioning reserve chute he took apart. If he knew what he was doing he would have tore open the dummy chute leaving the functioning reserve for it's intended purpose.

I'll go over the file but I don't beleive either had D rings. Can anyone shed light on the model that was left on the plane that I posted earlier.
 

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« Reply #1074 on: June 06, 2016, 10:52:25 PM »
The way he was dressed could also point to someone wanting out quickly?
 

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« Reply #1075 on: June 06, 2016, 11:20:20 PM »
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I've often wondered if Cooper opened the first chute without really checking out the other one. That perhaps he did recognize it as a dummy chute, but only after he had opened and cut up the other one.

That is my thought as well.  In his frustration over the money not arriving as requested he could have lost his cool and cut up the good chute before looking at the other one.  Of course he also wore loafers which hints at DB not knowing much about skydiving.  After all he could easily have worn boots with his suite.

I know I was kind of posting in the wrong place but wanted to get the direction away from personalities and back to the case.  8)

+1  :)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1076 on: June 22, 2016, 09:46:03 PM »
Did anyone do any research on Cooper's tie; Kaye mentions JCP stopped selling it about a year before the hijacking, but when did they start selling the #3s?
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1077 on: June 22, 2016, 09:59:58 PM »
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Did anyone do any research on Cooper's tie; Kaye mentions JCP stopped selling it about a year before the hijacking, but when did they start selling the #3s?

It might be on the DZ...the clip on tie itself will be 88 years old on December 13th  8)
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1078 on: June 23, 2016, 08:34:49 PM »
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Did anyone do any research on Cooper's tie; Kaye mentions JCP stopped selling it about a year before the hijacking, but when did they start selling the #3s?

It might be on the DZ...the clip on tie itself will be 88 years old on December 13th  8)

I found a post from Farflung on the DZ that said the tie was available with that specific logo from 1964 until 1971. Unfortunately, the link used as a source was dead.
 

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Re: General Questions About The Case
« Reply #1079 on: June 23, 2016, 09:26:06 PM »
I did a lot of research on the tie clip. it's impossible to pinpoint where it could of come from. they were mass produced, and different companies put there name on the box. I made a video some years back about the research....