She went on to explain that the reports of the jump had been misreported. The weather was bad on the night of November 24th but D.B. Cooper told the pilot at what speed, altitude and direction to fly. L.D. Cooper worked as a surveyor and knew this area very well. It has been reported that D.B. Cooper jumped over a very heavily wooded area when, in all actuality, he jumped over farmland and had planned his jump to put himself inside of a six mile area which was only seven miles from the home of L.D. Cooper. The parachute that was requested by D.B. Cooper was not steerable which would make his drop dependent solely on the wind to carry his direction.

Confused? yes, what skills would a surveyor have at 10,000 feet? if he jumped over "farmland" I'm guessing it was flat, and open, and yet he was all bloody from the jump? then they never went back for the money, and I assume the farmer kept the money 


Then the farmer planted the money....all makes sense now...

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She went on to explain that the reports of the jump had been misreported. The weather was bad on the night of November 24th but D.B. Cooper told the pilot at what speed, altitude and direction to fly. L.D. Cooper worked as a surveyor and knew this area very well. It has been reported that D.B. Cooper jumped over a very heavily wooded area when, in all actuality, he jumped over farmland and had planned his jump to put himself inside of a six mile area which was only seven miles from the home of L.D. Cooper. The parachute that was requested by D.B. Cooper was not steerable which would make his drop dependent solely on the wind to carry his direction.

Confused? yes, what skills would a surveyor have at 10,000 feet? if he jumped over "farmland" I'm guessing it was flat, and open, and yet he was all bloody from the jump? then they never went back for the money, and I assume the farmer kept the money 

That doesn't make sense either...Dewey was supposedly excited "We did it.  We just have to go back for the money".

Who in their right mind would go back looking for the money when the FBI is out looking in the same place?  And, if the money were easy to find, somebody would probably find first.

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She went on to explain that the reports of the jump had been misreported. The weather was bad on the night of November 24th but D.B. Cooper told the pilot at what speed, altitude and direction to fly. L.D. Cooper worked as a surveyor and knew this area very well. It has been reported that D.B. Cooper jumped over a very heavily wooded area when, in all actuality, he jumped over farmland and had planned his jump to put himself inside of a six mile area which was only seven miles from the home of L.D. Cooper. The parachute that was requested by D.B. Cooper was not steerable which would make his drop dependent solely on the wind to carry his direction.

Confused? yes, what skills would a surveyor have at 10,000 feet? if he jumped over "farmland" I'm guessing it was flat, and open, and yet he was all bloody from the jump? then they never went back for the money, and I assume the farmer kept the money 

That doesn't make sense either...Dewey was supposedly excited "We did it.  We just have to go back for the money".

Who in their right mind would go back looking for the money when the FBI is out looking in the same place?  And, if the money were easy to find, somebody would probably find first.

Yes, so how did the money get to Tena Bar? they never went back? where exactly is she stating LD lived in 1971? supposedly 6 miles from the LZ...did she really think that it was her uncle who they showed living in Vancouver at the time. that turned out to be another LD....

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She went on to explain that the reports of the jump had been misreported. The weather was bad on the night of November 24th but D.B. Cooper told the pilot at what speed, altitude and direction to fly. L.D. Cooper worked as a surveyor and knew this area very well. It has been reported that D.B. Cooper jumped over a very heavily wooded area when, in all actuality, he jumped over farmland and had planned his jump to put himself inside of a six mile area which was only seven miles from the home of L.D. Cooper. The parachute that was requested by D.B. Cooper was not steerable which would make his drop dependent solely on the wind to carry his direction.

Confused? yes, what skills would a surveyor have at 10,000 feet? if he jumped over "farmland" I'm guessing it was flat, and open, and yet he was all bloody from the jump? then they never went back for the money, and I assume the farmer kept the money 

That doesn't make sense either...Dewey was supposedly excited "We did it.  We just have to go back for the money".

Who in their right mind would go back looking for the money when the FBI is out looking in the same place?  And, if the money were easy to find, somebody would probably find first.

Yes, so how did the money get to Tena Bar? they never went back? where exactly is she stating LD lived in 1971? supposedly 6 miles from the LZ...did she really think that it was her uncle who they showed living in Vancouver at the time. that turned out to be another LD....

That's exactly what I was trying to say before.  Marla only knows a couple of things for sure -- she saw her uncle bloody and her father telling her that her uncles were skyjackers and some other details related to those things.  Everything else -- the landing spot, the location of the money, the government involvement -- it was all made up.

Bruce wrote: Also, I am saying that the Tina that we all saw and loved on TV is not the same person I met in 2011.

Taking Bruce literally ( )... maybe the FBI substituted a ringer for Tina on the History Channel production?

I'm still intrigued by Tina's use of psych tech terms, "psychotic ideation" etc. She basically said Cooper showed no obvious signs of mental illness.

Tina was so articulate and poised. So was Mary Jane. Not so for Marla.

And speaking of Marla, what was she talking about when she said something about a "computer somehow knew that the hijacker was an alcoholic? or something like that...

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Was the Tina we saw on the HC an imposter? I don't know, but frankly, sometimes I wonder if she was. I know that I often wondered if the Tina pictured in the 2012 Eugene Weekly news article was an imposter because she looked 30 pounds heavier in her pix than I remember her at her front door in 2011. But I only saw her for a few seconds before she closed the door the first time.

Galen has spent a lot more time with Tina over the years, directly or indirectly, and he told me that the Tina in the EW pix is the Tina he has seen. I haven't talked with him since the broadcast of the HC docu, so I don't know what his view is of that situation.

But, at this point I generally feel that the Tina we saw in the HC docu is the Tina Mucklow I met. What is different is the Tina from the docu - calm, warm, thoughtful - versus the Tina whom I experienced slamming doors and hanging up the phone. I don't have a satisfactory answer when I try to reconcile those extremes in behavior.

Currently, I wonder is she was coached, or prepped in some manner for the interview.

Another sticking point for me is the unresolved issue of her memory impairment that hangs in the air. Bill Rataczak told me that Richard Tosaw told him back in the 1980s that Tina's memory was wiped clean, like from a "white board."

Okay. Is anyone going to explain that? Tina? Bill? HC? LMNO?

If it's PTSD, then why isn't anyone talking about that as a criminal impact from the skyjacking?

Rataczak and his 5,000 above terrain:

If Rataczak is correct and he was flying only 5,000 above the terrain but was at 10,000 elevation, he was flying about five-six miles west of the Mt. St Helens summit, which in 1971 was 9,600 feet. That puts him at least 20-24 miles east of Amboy, so he was far afield from V-23. He would have been even east of the Washougal!

Goat Mountain is 4,965 feet and is about five miles sw of the summit. Little Huckleberry Mountain, 4,781, is due west of MSH and about 24 miles east of Amboy.

he doesn't mention where this occurred. the real question is, why is he stating Cooper couldn't get the stairs down, and worried about ice on the wings. according to the transcripts this all occurred very early into the flight, so why is he stating ice on the wings when Cooper had problems with the stairs?

As the plane heads south the mountain range rises.

Ice on the wings...

Low, slow, dirty (flaps, gear, stairs)... if you started picking up ice you had better add some speed pronto. Ice accumulation would almost certainly increase your stall speed due to reducing wing lift.

I don't think the stairs had any issues with the aerodynamics what so ever. when the stairs were hanging by gravity, they were barely open, and the outer frame was rounded to reflect wind shear.

Ice wasn't mentioned until 9:28 "airframe icing"...the crew was "slightly concerned" and activated the anti-icing.

I believe Bill has the times confused. 6 minutes into the flight Cooper was having trouble getting the stairs down. they slowed the plane down to just above the bug. this was also at 7,000 feet, and extremely doubtful any icing had started yet...