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« Reply #690 on: May 02, 2015, 01:50:41 AM »
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R99, have you used Skyvectors flight plan system?

I have never used it and, in fact, have never heard of it before.  What is it?
 

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« Reply #691 on: May 23, 2015, 11:50:32 PM »
Just tried a run in the simulator. I made a rookie move and didn't use my checklist :'( got all the way to Toledo, and was ahead in the timing, then I realized I didn't set the weather.....half hour down the drain....
 

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« Reply #692 on: May 24, 2015, 12:04:13 AM »
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Just tried a run in the simulator. I made a rookie move and didn't use my checklist :'( got all the way to Toledo, and was ahead in the timing, then I realized I didn't set the weather.....half hour down the drain....

I and another had a similar 'screwup' with a piece of gear this weekend. Test all optical paint first before assuming it is alcohol resistant! Just a tiny area will tell. In my whole life Ive never seen alcohol based paint inside an optical assembly before, where alcohol based optical cleaners are going to be used? Well we have now! It's a Chinese made POS! We can recover from the mistake but we should have tested first. We are just sick about the screwup and should have tested first.... best intentions sometimes lead to trouble.
   
 

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« Reply #693 on: May 24, 2015, 12:08:33 AM »
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Just tried a run in the simulator. I made a rookie move and didn't use my checklist :'( got all the way to Toledo, and was ahead in the timing, then I realized I didn't set the weather.....half hour down the drain....

I and another had a similar 'screwup' with a piece of gear this weekend. Test all optical paint first before assuming it is alcohol resistant! Just a tiny area will tell. In my whole life Ive never seen alcohol based paint inside an optical assembly before, where alcohol based optical cleaners are going to be used? Well we have now! It's a Chinese made POS! We can recover from the mistake but we should have tested first. We are just sick about the screwup and should have tested first.... best intentions sometimes lead to trouble.
 


It's those little things that can cause a big problem. mine sounds a lot easier to fix. I can just start over...
 

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« Reply #694 on: May 27, 2015, 11:40:42 PM »
was looking around the web, and came up on this.

--- Quote ---No one walks out of a 727 under 100 kts unless they are on the ground. I have over 6000 hrs. in all 3 seats of a 727 and have a FAA Check Airman Rating as a Captain and Flight Engineer. The 727 has pneumatic, electrically actuated outflow valves that close at 11,000 ft. in a decompression and the passenger oxygen masks deploy at 14,000 ft. It has an excellent manual control of the outflow valves as a back-up. There is absolutely no pressurization control issue with a bullet penetration in a 727 and I can attest that it will take considerable punishment in the air or on the ground.
--- End quote ---

Read the info on Coopers action.  They were under 10,000 feet with the gear down and the airspeed was 100 knots and he was having them fly in that manner.  They had been flying that way with the tail steps closed since they left the airport where he got the money and the chutes.  Two military jets were shadowing them and a NG Trainer joined in the surveillance.  Altitude and airspeed are pretty well documented.  They didn't know that he was going out till the rear stairs opened and lowered which the pilot knew by the warning indicator.  That's all in the published info off the report.   He walked off the steps to freefall although he was never seen.   It's a fact that he left the plane.   Some of the money was recovered on the ground years later.   Going off the rear of the 727 is probably the only way it could have been done.   A side door exit at that speed would no doubt cause the jumper to hit the side of the plane and maybe the tail just due to the speed.   Combat aircraft even in HALO jumps don't move that fast.  Anyway, it doesn't matter, it was only of interest due to the Glasers development reason's. 
 

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« Reply #695 on: May 28, 2015, 12:48:37 AM »
What does that mean? I'm not sure.
 

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« Reply #696 on: May 28, 2015, 11:15:50 AM »
"They were under 10,000 feet with the gear down and the airspeed was 100 knots and he was having them fly in that manner."


A few specs.....


Cruise Speed (knots): 515   
Stall Speed (knots): 106   
Range in Nautical Miles: 2400
Service Ceiling (feet): 33000   
Rate of Climb (feet per minute): 2500   
 

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« Reply #697 on: June 19, 2015, 06:00:24 PM »
Georger, you asked about the simulator....sorry for the delay, but I've been going bonkers over here...I'm going to try a record the first leg, that's SeaTac, to Toledo. I'm hoping to have that leg done this weekend. work was finally cut back due to a disagreement on a lift we were using. all of the sudden they didn't want us using it? anyway, I have the whole weekend to try and get something positive with the sim.

The only section of concern is the last couple minutes after passing Battleground. I'm still learning this path.....it's almost like they were trying to shake him off the stairs..... :-\
 

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« Reply #698 on: June 20, 2015, 01:45:35 AM »
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Georger, you asked about the simulator....sorry for the delay, but I've been going bonkers over here...I'm going to try a record the first leg, that's SeaTac, to Toledo. I'm hoping to have that leg done this weekend. work was finally cut back due to a disagreement on a lift we were using. all of the sudden they didn't want us using it? anyway, I have the whole weekend to try and get something positive with the sim.

The only section of concern is the last couple minutes after passing Battleground. I'm still learning this path.....it's almost like they were trying to shake him off the stairs..... :-\

Your last part - Im not sure sure they weren't trying to 'accommodate his departure', to put it mildly. They definitely were doing everything he wanted to 'accommodate his departure'.
 

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« Reply #699 on: June 20, 2015, 10:29:04 AM »
To all:  The place that Jo Webber said that Duane said Cooper came out of the woods was at the North End of Lake Lacama (just East of Vancouver WA). When she asked him "how would you know that, he said maybe I was the ground man? Jo insists that Duane was Cooper but he did tell her he was the Ground Man which would agree with his knowledge of where Cooper came out of the woods. She has sent some photo's that we have seen before but it included one that shows Duane wearing a pearl tie clasp. See attached

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« Reply #700 on: June 20, 2015, 11:06:29 AM »
Sailshaw, me and Georger concluded a while back that the white mark on that photo is a blotch. it's not part of the actual photo.
 

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« Reply #701 on: June 20, 2015, 03:43:43 PM »
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Sailshaw, me and Georger concluded a while back that the white mark on that photo is a blotch. it's not part of the actual photo.

More Jesus in the toast, or in this case 44 camels, 9 hippos, and 137 buffalo IN THE TOAST!  ;)  With a few misc Coopers tossed in for good measure! Never claim anything that isn't there!  ;)

Meanwhile over at the 'Yeti and Vampires' Alternate site, Mr. Blevins is getting ready to get ready to prepare finally for his submission to (and meeting with) the FB & I now stretching years and years in the making! A full blown career of getting ready to get ready (making thousands of claims along the way), that is! The original submission is very long but the meeting has been truncated from hours (or days) to just 30,15, 10, 5 no 3 minutes! Get in and get out QUICK! The Sham Wow advertisement really shouldn't take more than a minute then back to the daily business of running the "Yeti & Vampires' Alternate website, which replaced the whole Dropzone forum? 

It reminds one of what Tallulah Bankhead used to say:

If I had my life to live again. I'd make the same mistakes, only sooner.     

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« Reply #702 on: June 20, 2015, 07:54:29 PM »
I'll admit, I actually watched Blevins' video.   There isn't anything there we haven't read many times on DZ.  Still, I wondered, too, why he has such trepidation about meeting with the FBI.  If he thinks he has something, the FBI will take it , tell him thank you and that they'll get back to him if they need any further information.  And, that will be that.

I'm sure the FBI gets "true believers" all the time on a variety of cases.  They know how to deal with them.
 

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« Reply #703 on: June 20, 2015, 08:06:43 PM »
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I'll admit, I actually watched Blevins' video.   There isn't anything there we haven't read many times on DZ.  Still, I wondered, too, why he has such trepidation about meeting with the FBI.  If he thinks he has something, the FBI will take it , tell him thank you and that they'll get back to him if they need any further information.  And, that will be that.

I'm sure the FBI gets "true believers" all the time on a variety of cases.  They know how to deal with them.


He is milking it it as long as he can. once he drops it/mails it/floats it, or how ever it gets there. that will be the end of it. I'll bet it's coming up on a year now.
 

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« Reply #704 on: June 21, 2015, 01:29:53 AM »
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I'll admit, I actually watched Blevins' video.   There isn't anything there we haven't read many times on DZ.  Still, I wondered, too, why he has such trepidation about meeting with the FBI.  If he thinks he has something, the FBI will take it , tell him thank you and that they'll get back to him if they need any further information.  And, that will be that.

I'm sure the FBI gets "true believers" all the time on a variety of cases.  They know how to deal with them.


He is milking it it as long as he can. once he drops it/mails it/floats it, or how ever it gets there. that will be the end of it. I'll bet it's coming up on a year now.

His first 'promise' to meet with the FBI was over three years ago!

His reluctance is based on his own lack of confidence in what he has and has done since Aug 2010, and what he basically knows the Seattle FBI will do and not do (which he first articulated clear back in 2010).

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