If not mistaken I don't think Carr is involved with the case anymore? Bruce, or Georger would probably answer this better...

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Whatever Tosaw says or does not say, Rataczak has never said he thought Cooper intended to bail early.

Georger, you asked twice if Tosaw said this. that's why I asked R99 again about the claim. I thought I would try and get some opinions about this. nothing more...

I have not seen anything anywhere that made a direct claim that Cooper or anyone else with direct knowledge stated that he wanted to jump early.  That is basically an assumption as to why Cooper wanted the rear stairs unlocked and partially down for takeoff.

I think Tina is quoted by Tosaw as saying that Cooper gave in to Rataczak in order to get the plane in the air.  He was in a hurry to get off the ground.

Here is Ckret's post on this matter, that started the Plan A discussion:

Ckret
May 27, 2008, 7:04 PM
Post #1832 of 58140 (54115 views)

          Re: [snowmman] Theory: Cooper didn't jump in the deep woods [In reply to]
 
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From his actions and statements I think he wanted to jump just after wheels up. He had the chute on for takeoff and he wanted the stairs down and locked for takeoff.

When Cooper learned the stairs couldn't be down for takeoff he had to go to plan B, which he didn't have. Thinking on the fly put him jumping in an area he didn't plan for.
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Here is Snow's followup:

snowmman
May 27, 2008, 9:17 PM
Post #1838 of 58140 (54081 views)
          Plan B from Outer Space [In reply to]
 
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Let's explore the Ckret Plan B theory.
(wanted to jump early, had to jump late)

So you're clueless, it's dark, you know you need to jump, you know you're a lot further from Seattle than you planned. You just flew from Portland, you know roughly how far it is.

You only have a rough idea of the time cause you didn't do time/distance/speed calcs at the reduced speed. McNally supposedly timed (had a calculator of some sort at his house). Cooper probably had a watch because he was so time-focused in his demands.

BUT: since you're in Plan B from Outer Space mode, don't you think Cooper waits till he sees some lights or something from Portland before he jumps? If you're in Plan B mode, why jump in the dark woods? There's no rush..why not wait till it seems safe.

See what I mean: ruling out a planned jump into the deep woods, makes us veer in specific directions, assuming Cooper is a rational actor. I think so far the data tells us he is, so we should always assume rational decisions given his current situation, knowledge and available information.


(This post was edited by snowmman on May 27, 2008, 9:23 PM)

If not mistaken I don't think Carr is involved with the case anymore? Bruce, or Georger would probably answer this better...

I don't know what Larry Carr's role is in Norjak, if any. He has been unresponsive to me for years.

I sent him a PM at the DZ before he left Seattle, and he replied, saying to contact him through normal channels at his office. I did, and heard nothing back. Circa 2009.

Two years later, a comment from a "Ckret" was posted on a DBC piece at the Mountain News-WA. I emailed the poster but heard nothing back.

Galen says he thinks Larry follows the case, but is uncertain if he actively involved. Apparently Larry has stopped corresponding with Galen via email several years ago, circa 2010-2011.

This makes the work of the Citizen Sleuths Larry's most enduring legacy, and I'm surprised but pleased that Eng has allowed them to continue on his watch.

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Georger:   Jo claims that Duane told her that DB came out of the woods at the North end of Lake Lacama (just to the East of Vancouver, WA) and when she asked him how did he know that? Duane answered "Maybe I was the ground man?". I think that is a good possibility as Duane knew too much about the caper to not have been involved. I also think Cossey could have been the other "Ground man" based on how he answered questions from me on the telephone. Anyway, the woods around Lake Lakama are not like a deep forest. They must have been using radio communications to locate DB and see him coming out of the woods and that pinpoints the area where DB landed.
Just a thought!
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All I know about Duane Weber, I got from Gray's Skyjack. I read the DZ forum, but I always skip Jo's (And RB's) posts. What is the "strong" case for Duane Weber? What did he know that shows he "knew too much"?

There is no case whatsoever for Duane Weber being Cooper.  Jo Weber's posts about Duane Weber were pure fabrications.  Jo even had the gall to take a story off the first page of the CIA's public web site and rewrite it playing Duane up as a heroic participant in that story.  The really sad thing is that Jo never realized how silly her claims about Duane were.

Did Jo ever produce the Gunther book with Duane's margin notes? Or the plane ticket she talked about?

Did Jo ever produce the Gunther book with Duane's margin notes? Or the plane ticket she talked about?

I think I remember Jo saying on DZ that she no longer thought Duane wrote the margin notes. This was a few years back. She also said at different times the following:

A. The plane ticket had no name on it.
B. The plane ticket said "Dan Cooper".
C. She could not remember if the ticket had a name on it.

Jo, has sent me 5, or 6 emails in the last couple weeks. some were not related to Cooper....

Speaking of Jo, I got the distinct impression that Jo asked for the DZ to be shut down and Sangiro complied. Anyone else feel that way?

Also, Jo has sent me a couple emails since the end of the DZ, something about Fort Hood. I didn't read them too closely, and I wondering if she corresponded with anyone else. I don't think Duane is DBC, but I do like to keep tabs on the ol' girl - if for nothing else than to monitor the current wind velocity of the Vortex.

Not sure how or where you would get that impression. Sangiro's statement speaks for itself and had a mountain of support/requests from skydivers to end the thread. Jo and Blevins and you were obviously 'the problem', in the end. Yous were the only one's there bickering for a year and a half! Everyone else was long gone. 

Sangiro cites excessive PM's to the Mod ... that was probably Jo & Blevins who thought they owned the thread! Guess they found out the hard way. 

Have a nice day.