Chaucer, have you done what I recommend above? If you don't understand what I was saying above, please let me know and give me some idea about your level of understanding related to mathematics, navigation, etc., so that I can speak to your level.
well, speaking for myself, I know that 2 + 2 = 5 for large values of 2.
So you can start with that understanding.
2 neutrinos + 2 neutrinos = 749 neutrinos !
Is there a map of the Western flight path? Also, is there a side by side comparison of the two flight paths (Western and FBI)? For instance: The pros/cons of both? I know there have been a lot of discussion on here, Facebook, etc. But is there a one page summary for those who do not get deep into the details? Things like:
Western Flight Path:
Explains the Tena Bar money find (Straight line from Malay Intersection to Canby Intersection)
Shows plane flying West of Portland and Vancouver so a bomb blast/crash would not kill as many people on the ground
Matches some of what Cliff Ammerman said.
FBI Flight Path:
Tracks more closely with V23
Explains the placard find
Matches with flight logs
etc. etc. Basically if someone just wanted to know the pros/cons and not get into an argument.
fcastle, the attached is from the Citizen Sleuths website (link below), not sure if you have seen this already or if this is what your looking for, but it has all 3 flight paths and TK/CSs conclusions:
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Robert, I've seen this a number of times, and was looking at it when I posted asking for something better. This document does not really show towns or landmarks, it is a lot of labels with corresponding text further down the page. I was hoping there was something more like the FBI map that shows times and towns so I could see where the WFP was on Google Maps. Based off Bruce Smith's article that references you, it sounds like you think the plane flew a straight line from Malay to Canby. If that's the case, then I have what I need to satisfy my curiosity.
In terms of your earlier question about "flight logs." I used that as a general term, but I realize to a pilot like yourself it means something specific. I was referring to the 302s and communications, etc, not specifically a flight log. Taking everything into account, I still am curious as to the pros/cons of the WFP. I don't really debate this aspect of the case, so I just don't have the bandwith to spend a lot of time putting things down on paper. I just figured maybe someone has.
One thing I continue to be somewhat confused about is how fast the plane was going. 1. To determine where it was in relation to the ground 2. To determine speed between certain points, essentially the instantaneous speed versus average speed. 3. What was it like when he jumped out.
Citizen Sleuths quotes you as
4. Personal communication, Robert Nicholson: Mr. Nicholson did an independent calculation of the DME positions, time enroute and airspeed. His conclusions were that there was very little winds alloft and the ground speed of the plane was close to the airspeed. His analysis can be downloaded here
I was not aware that at an altitude of 10,000 feet that the relative speed could be so different. Citizen Sleuths writes this:
7. Quick calculation of DME positions vs speed.
19:40 14 miles DME south of SEA vor (Seatac airport)
20:22 23 miles DME south of PDX (PDX = Battleground in 1971)
Distance traveled = 130.75 miles in 42 minutes.
130.75/42=3.11 miles per minute
= 186 mph
= 161.63 knots
slight head wind
I'm guessing the 186MPH is ground speed?? If Cooper bailed out at 186 MPH versus 225MPH, would it make a big difference? I sense it would, but then again both are pretty fast compared to what I've experienced. Granted he was going out the back and not the side. I think it was Heady who said he jumped out going very fast. But if he said 300 MPH, what was that? Speed in the air, over ground, relative speed compared to wind/altitude etc.
Anyhow, maybe you have a calculation of where the plane was relative to the ground at certain times. Even if it is on the Western Flight path, at least it would show times and ground distance. Are you able to calculate this?