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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4215 on: March 20, 2021, 12:36:09 PM »
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4216 on: March 20, 2021, 12:42:27 PM »
Yes, that's what I was referring to.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4217 on: March 20, 2021, 12:46:56 PM »
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4218 on: March 20, 2021, 01:06:58 PM »
Here is a link to my sectional map. you can save it or zoom in pretty close without losing clarity..at least on my end..


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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4219 on: March 20, 2021, 01:13:02 PM »
I believe that is another plot point, and it would seem to line up with the plot points along the line south of the I-5 bridge. They appear to be errors off by approximately 4.5 nautical miles.

That's not the biggest question on this section of the map, IMO. There is a plot point at approximately 45 39' and 122 34'. The next visible plot point is at approximately 45 36' 33" and 122 40' 28". There is over a 5 nautical mile distance between those two points. There doesn't appear to be any plot points between them. The map suggests that their should be one near the east side of Pearson Air Park, but that would only be 2 nautical miles to the next point by the bridge - and that's being generous.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4220 on: March 20, 2021, 01:26:29 PM »
You keep repeating this...one map shows the plots and black lines connecting them, correct. another map shows green lines connecting the points with times beside each plot, correct. the map with the times DOES show a plot just east of Pearson field and cuts the radial turn out. who did this is not known at the moment but appears to answer the question about having a plot at Pearson?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4221 on: March 20, 2021, 01:31:20 PM »
Yes, I know all that. My point is that the person who made the map created a plot point at Pearson that doesn't exist on the original. I guess we can assume there was supposed to be a plot point at Pearson, but I find that problematic. I'd like to be accurate. The second issue that if you add a plot point at Pearson then there is only 1 nautical mile between it and the plot point by the bridge. The whole thing is a bleeping mess.
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« Reply #4222 on: March 20, 2021, 01:32:47 PM »
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I believe that is another plot point, and it would seem to line up with the plot points along the line south of the I-5 bridge. They appear to be errors off by approximately 4.5 nautical miles.

That's not the biggest question on this section of the map, IMO. There is a plot point at approximately 45 39' and 122 34'. The next visible plot point is at approximately 45 36' 33" and 122 40' 28". There is over a 5 nautical mile distance between those two points. There doesn't appear to be any plot points between them. The map suggests that their should be one near the east side of Pearson Air Park, but that would only be 2 nautical miles to the next point by the bridge - and that's being generous.

How do we know they are errors? How do we know that we're not looking at plots from multiple jets?

There were four jets related to this incident--305, two F-106's and one T-33. And I have seen enough through out this case to seriously question how this map was put together. Specifically what data was used and in what form was it presented? How were the four different jet radar plots separated? Who plotted this and when?

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4223 on: March 20, 2021, 01:37:45 PM »
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How do we know they are errors? How do we know that we're not looking at plots from multiple jets?

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« Reply #4224 on: March 20, 2021, 01:45:04 PM »
Interestingly the FBI Flight Path shows 305 flying literally over the top of Tomahawk Island Marina--which opened in 1971.

What are the possibilities that a boat was stolen from the marina the night of the skyjacking but went unnoticed by the authorities because they were transfixed with Ariel?

An interesting angle to consider for those who subscribe to the FBI Flight Path.
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« Reply #4225 on: March 20, 2021, 01:46:08 PM »
They appear to have removed the radial turn. that plot appears to now be placed at Pearson making it the 8:17 plot and the following plot after the radial turn became the 8:18 plot. why, I have no idea. if Cooper bailed minutes back the plane could do flips and it really would matter unless you get critical all the way down to when the plane lands.
 

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« Reply #4226 on: March 20, 2021, 01:48:04 PM »
No cars reported stolen or bikes or anything else? the money was "buried" on the beach. the same question can be asked, no? back in those days some people left the keys in the car...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4227 on: March 20, 2021, 01:52:15 PM »
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I believe that is another plot point, and it would seem to line up with the plot points along the line south of the I-5 bridge. They appear to be errors off by approximately 4.5 nautical miles.

That's not the biggest question on this section of the map, IMO. There is a plot point at approximately 45 39' and 122 34'. The next visible plot point is at approximately 45 36' 33" and 122 40' 28". There is over a 5 nautical mile distance between those two points. There doesn't appear to be any plot points between them. The map suggests that their should be one near the east side of Pearson Air Park, but that would only be 2 nautical miles to the next point by the bridge - and that's being generous.
Looking at it, it seems pretty clear to me that they line up perfectly with the plot points under the black line. All of them are off by equal distances

How do we know they are errors? How do we know that we're not looking at plots from multiple jets?

There were four jets related to this incident--305, two F-106's and one T-33. And I have seen enough through out this case to seriously question how this map was put together. Specifically what data was used and in what form was it presented? How were the four different jet radar plots separated? Who plotted this and when?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4228 on: March 20, 2021, 01:52:56 PM »
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No cars reported stolen or bikes or anything else? the money was "buried" on the beach. the same question can be asked, no? back in those days some people left the keys in the car...

The problem is if you steal a car or a bike you have to drive to Tena Bar and there are only two roads to the place--now there is only one.

Additionally, if you steal a car, why bury the cash? After all, if you get pulled over you're F'd whether you have the money in the trunk or not.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4229 on: March 20, 2021, 01:53:51 PM »
Nascar, Indy etc. all have numbers on the car. I doubt anyone has given a trophy to the wrong car by mistake?

Why bury the money if you have a boat?
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