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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4185 on: March 20, 2021, 01:22:25 AM »
You are missing a plot...
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4186 on: March 20, 2021, 01:29:11 AM »
The two red X's have been discussed before. Coincidentally, they also line up nicely as Western Flight Path plots . Thus far, no one has determined their significance.
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« Reply #4187 on: March 20, 2021, 01:41:12 AM »
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You are missing a plot...
Where?

Also,  I tried to do what FJ suggested and shift the plot points east. It creates a scenario that would require some really dramatic maneuvering from the aircraft - I'm not even sure if it's even physically possible. The yellow line on the picture is simple connect-the-dots. The red line is my best attempt at trying to smooth out how a plane would actually do that.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4188 on: March 20, 2021, 01:44:41 AM »
8:17 plot right before crossing the river..Pearson's field.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4189 on: March 20, 2021, 01:47:21 AM »
You would exceed the bank angle trying that path.
 

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« Reply #4190 on: March 20, 2021, 01:48:43 AM »
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8:17 plot right before crossing the river..Pearson's field.
No, that's the one to the northeast, circled in blue. Is there one in between the two circles that I am not seeing?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4191 on: March 20, 2021, 01:51:45 AM »
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« Reply #4192 on: March 20, 2021, 01:57:39 AM »
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I'm tripping right now. I don't see a red cross indicating a plot point at that location....
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4193 on: March 20, 2021, 02:02:26 AM »
do you have maps with the pins and green line
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« Reply #4194 on: March 20, 2021, 02:10:55 AM »
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do you have maps with the pins and green line
Yes, below. But If you look at the actual yellow map, there is no plot point in that location. At least I can't see it. Also, the coordinates from Hom don't list that either. I don't think the white map with the green line is accurate. Is it?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #4195 on: March 20, 2021, 02:11:41 AM »
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The two red X's have been discussed before. Coincidentally, they also line up nicely as Western Flight Path plots . Thus far, no one has determined their significance.

Ammerman should be able to answer that question.  And he should also know who was working the intercept problems with him in order to get the chase planes to the airliner.
 

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« Reply #4196 on: March 20, 2021, 02:16:08 AM »
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do you have maps with the pins and green line
So, on the yellow map, the plot point currently over the bridge moves up and over near Pearson? That doesn't look right...

Can you email me that entire map?
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« Reply #4197 on: March 20, 2021, 02:31:16 AM »
I put the photo in edit and can't see a cross...they appear to have moved the location in the turn making the next plot with the missing plot near Pearsons..it's not that they moved it. the seem to have changed the timing. the green plot shows a plot at Pearsons then the next cross is ignored connecting to the following cross below the radial turn..
 

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« Reply #4198 on: March 20, 2021, 02:36:39 AM »
See if this directs you to Sluggo's site. the maps will be on that page..

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« Reply #4199 on: March 20, 2021, 02:38:45 AM »
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I put the photo in edit and can't see a cross...they appear to have moved the location in the turn making the next plot with the missing plot near Pearsons..it's not that they moved it. the seem to have changed the timing. the green plot shows a plot at Pearsons then the next cross is ignored connecting to the following cross below the radial turn..
Yes, and that brings me back to my initial problem. There is a plot point northwest of Vancouver and one adjacent to the I-5 bridge. But that distance is too great to travel in one minute. There SHOULD be a plot point near Pearson, but there isn't.

That's a problem.
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