The fact is that the FBI knows precisely when Rataczak notified Minneapolis about the pressure bump--and therefore presumably DBC's jump time.
The only way they wouldn't know is if Soderlind didn't mark the time down which seems highly unlikely. In fact, Rataczak may well be able to confirm this.
Moreover, the FBI seems quite certain that he jumped somewhere in that 8:11-8:13 window--perhaps accounting for some variance in the time on whatever clock was used to stamp the time and the amount of time involved for Airinc to transmit the message.
The FBI may know EXACTLY what time Cooper jumped, but the fact still remains that WE don’t. That hasn’t been made public in any official documentation. If a 302 pops up that pinpoints a time, or an USAF map with the jump time plotted or some other type of evidence like that tells us an exactly time, then fantastic. Until such time, we have what we have which is a time frame between 8:10 and 8:20 which is probably closer to 8:15 to 8:17. Still and all, we don’t know when Cooper jumped. I’m not sure what more I need to say to underscore this point, so I’m just not going to say anything more about it. It is what it is.
I do have to say, EU, that for a guy who claims that the FBI is guilty of human error all over this case, you do seem quite certain that they got the jump time right.
Once again, this is not accurate. We have FBI files with the times referenced. Moreover, we also have the search zone which was based upon the formerly stated jump times.
Regarding the FBI and human error: I'm assuming that Paul Soderlind (NWO) was capable of reading a clock.
Yes, I’ve referenced those times repeatedly in my posts and none of them refer to an 8:13 jump time or any jump time or any pressure bump for that matter. But I’ve said this same thing for hours now and you and R99 continue to obfuscate the issue.
I’m done. Good night.
Chaucer, to amplify further on the above and the baloney that is being posted on dropzone today, the Seattle ATC radio transcripts have been heavily redacted and do not contain any information to pinpoint the exact location of the airliner when it was passing through the Portland area.
Three FOIA attempts were made through the FAA and FBI, and with the assistance of my US Congressman, to obtain the unredacted transcripts but were unsuccessful. The unredacted transcripts do in fact exist but are simply not going to be released. CYA.
Further, Fred Poynter's group at the WSHM made an analysis of the ARINC teletype transcripts and concluded that some were missing. That is, the teletype transcripts had also been redacted.
Simply because something is not in the redacted transcripts mentioned above does not mean it didn't happen. Some of the posters on DZ today are challenging information that Bill Rataczak included in a speech that he gave to a NWA inhouse group and that is published in a NWA inhouse publication.
The times given in the Seattle ATC Center radio transcripts are GMT (Greenwich Mean Time, which now has another name) times and are accurate to the second.
The times given in the ARINC teletype transcripts are the times the teletype operator pushed the "SEND" button on his teletype machine. The message in the transcript had arrived by radio anywhere from one to four minutes earlier and, depending on the operator's workload at a given moment, the operator required those minutes to format and type the information into his teletype.
The information radioed from the airliner to the ARINC operator was also heard by NWA personnel in Seattle and Minneapolis at the same time through a phone patch.
A careful comparison of the early ATC radio transcripts, for just after takeoff from SEATAC, and the teletype transcripts shows this difference in times. Some times are given for information received through the phone patch and can be compared with the later times the same teletype information was sent.
Typical of the nonsense being posted on DZ today, one of the posters claims that Cooper jumped as late as 8:20 PM and north of the Columbia River. The ARINC radio patch times indicate that the airliner crew reported being 23 DME (Nautical Miles) south of what is now known as the Battleground VORTAC at 8:18 PM. This location is on the far south side of Portland.
The posters who claim that what is now known as the Western Flight Path is wrong need to post their evidence. No one, including Georger, has offered any evidence to back up their claim. Instead, they use "faith based" reasoning since they don't have anything else.
