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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3960 on: March 01, 2021, 12:27:56 PM »
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Let's take the money and think this through:

The money weighed 20 lbs. If it got wet it would have weighed appreciably more.

Now assuming he rid himself of everything except the money and that the FBI dropzone is correct, DBC would have had to walk approximately 30 miles in very difficult terrain, in poor weather conditions, while avoiding being seen, carrying a 20 lbs bag of cash.

Think about that for a moment. I challenge anyone to attempt a 30-mile walk carrying a 20 lbs weight in good conditions let alone what I described above.

For anyone, especially someone in his mid-40's, this is bordering on physically impossible--especially if he injured himself in any manner during the jump and landing.

This means DBC had to land much closer to Tena Bar than the FBI thinks. Unless, of course, someone wants to argue that he had the money in the trunk of his car and that he drove it to Tena Bar to bury it which makes absolutely no sense.

Needless to say, I do not believe DBC died that night by way of no-pulling on or near Tena Bar. Therefore, I consider the money find alone an extremely compelling piece of evidence that almost single-handedly significantly limits the actual dropzone to within a few miles of Tena Bar. If I'm right about that, the FBI Flight Path cannot be correct and the Western Flight Path cannot be incorrect.

This one really got me thinking EU.  20 pounds does not seem like much, until you've actually had to carry it for more than a few minutes.  He did not even have a good backpack to carry it in.  If it was wet, then it was even harder to carry. Plus the weight was not evenly distributed.  Maybe a 45 year old smoker can try to put a bag together and walk around the DZ at night carrying the bag and give us some input on what it is like.  It leads me to believe that whoever Cooper was, he would have needed to hide the money quickly, or have a means to get it out of there (car, boat).

Indeed, my new thinking is that DBC landed somewhere between the southern end of the Ridgefield Wildlife Refuge (Ridgeport Dairy Unit) and the Tena Bar money spot. The timing works out well too if you embrace the Western Flight Path which would put the jet a couple thousand feet west of the Columbia River at that point.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3961 on: March 01, 2021, 12:39:47 PM »
This is what I found so far. I posted it on the DZ a while back. not sure if it's from a safety card or a document..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3962 on: March 01, 2021, 01:00:17 PM »
The Hicks' placard seems to indicate some type of pull handle--versus lever--emergency release that is not the normal release. Where it differs from the other pull handle releases is that it references a door, it is quite large, and it is separate from the two-hole panel placard that is on the two-hole panel.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3963 on: March 01, 2021, 01:13:40 PM »
The actual emergency release is not a normal function and has a red handle that you pull out. instructions are also on the small panel with the two holes. I don't think we are looking for some sort of different panel. two are the only one's known with releasing the stairs. the third would be activated from the ground...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3964 on: March 01, 2021, 01:20:17 PM »
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The actual emergency release is not a normal function and has a red handle that you pull out. instructions are also on the small panel with the two holes. I don't think we are looking for some sort of different panel. two are the only one's known with releasing the stairs. the third would be activated from the ground...

Then how do you account for what the Hicks' placard actually says? It mentions opening a door. It also doesn't mention a plastic covering that has to be broken behind the two-hole panel. Moreover, where does the placard go? It is way too large to fit on the back side of the two-hole panel from what I can see or anywhere inside of the two-hole cavity.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3965 on: March 01, 2021, 01:21:27 PM »
The safety card below shows a red handle but is not a T handle as described in other documents or cards. some show the handle with the cable hanging down that looks similar to a lawnmower pull cord..possibly different year and models with changes.
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« Reply #3966 on: March 01, 2021, 01:26:36 PM »
As mentioned before. the panel with the holes in it has instructions as well. those could be for removing the panel and the plastic cover. not a lot of room for all the instructions.

The normal stair release box has 5-6 placards when it's relatively simple instructions. push down on the button and move forward and pull back. pretty simple and yet it's loaded with placards?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3967 on: March 01, 2021, 01:34:21 PM »
A guess would be the placard was placed above the panel with the two holes as sort of a step 2 operation. we see multiple placards on the main control box.

I have shown a picture in the past that possibly shows this placard above the small panel. the problem is it'as screenshot of a camera panning inside the stairwell. only a corner is captured. I will have to put it on Google drive to post. can't get it small enough without distorting the pic.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3968 on: March 01, 2021, 01:36:32 PM »
It's very frustrating watching these video's taken inside the stairs. I find myself screaming at the video like a horror movie. they bypass the control box every single time. they have no problem shoving your face into the flight data recorder  :rofl:
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3969 on: March 01, 2021, 01:39:52 PM »
The Hicks' placard is clearly unique in terms of its wording and size. It does make sense that there would be a handle to pull like shown above. It makes sense to me if the cavity concealing the red handle is different than the two-hole version we're seeing. Otherwise I'm simply at a loss for how it all adds up.

These placards are approved by the FAA and are very clearly and specifically worded so as not to confuse people during an emergency. References to opening a door strikes me as very specific, plus the fact it simply says pull the handle after that. It doesn't add an extra instruction to break the plastic cover panel.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3970 on: March 01, 2021, 01:49:52 PM »
The FAA and NTSB can't catch everything. sadly, new rules will apply after an accident. it was obvious in the 727 that crashed. the stew used the normal stair release and nothing happened. they discovered she didn't know about the emergency handle and nobody realized the normal stair control door would hide the function when left open. they can suggest, recommend and force rules. it depends on the problem.

They suggested having the door swing the opposite direction, never happened. proper training about the functions, probably was done. and better placards with better instructions. not sure if that happened either.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3971 on: March 01, 2021, 01:56:29 PM »
It's even worse in the cockpit today. so many things can go wrong if they are not followed to the T. confusion can happen with a lot of things turned off and on and not discovered until an accident occurs. design errors are found the hard way.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3972 on: March 01, 2021, 02:00:30 PM »
Regarding what all of this means concerning 305 is another matter.

The FBI sat on the Hicks' find for months in order to verify that it came from 305--which they did. Now we're being asked to believe that they F'd this up and that someone overlooked that there actually wasn't a red handle to pull on 305 after looking into this very basic thing for months. I'm having a very hard time swallowing that especially considering that I have no reasonable explanation for how such a placard finds its way into the woods after separating from the interior cone of a 727 during flight to begin with.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3973 on: March 01, 2021, 02:17:49 PM »
I seriously doubt it took months to resolve. they didn't have a clue it was or could of been missing when the plane landed in Reno. 8 years go by and the stories begin.

If the emergency system was not on the plane it's pretty obvious they were wrong with the assumptions given in 1978. no documents about it missing two days later or after testing. that's critical. they noticed it missing among all the other placards? why didn't the other placards come off or why would it be on the wall vs the door where the other placards were?

 The door could of been open hiding it from Cooper but I don't see it in the video or the still. that was my one thing holding back from saying it might not of come from 305. if it becomes beyond a shadow of doubt, which appears to be close based on what is known then Hicks becomes questionable. something is wrong somewhere...

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3974 on: March 01, 2021, 02:20:44 PM »
I believe a drink is in order about now  :chr2:

Hold your fire, hold your fire...I need to reload  :rofl:
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