Interesting that you dispute the 8:12 jump time but are OK with the much more complicated flight path.

This is objectively and categorically untrue. There is FAR more evidence pointing to a Victor 23 flight path than an 8:12 jump and you and I and everyone else both know it.

I can point to many errors on the part of the FBI and others. Therefore, why is the flight path treated as gospel? The FBI itself even entertained the Washougal Washdown Theory and a more easterly flight path after the money find. It seems to me that if the FBI is willing to accept that perhaps the flight path is off, others should be open to that suggestion too.

The FBI and the United States Air Force both believe the central flight path is accurate. Moreover, there is no concrete evidence pointing to a western flight path. Again, you are relying on the deus ex machina of "someone messed up". Until you can prove "someone" messed up, then I'll side with the guys actually tracking the flight and reconstructing the radar date and conducting a massive, million dollar search.

Finally, given the info pertaining to the placard and Cinebar finds, I think it is damn near impossible that these items didn't come from 305. After all, both have been confirmed as coming from within the interior of a 727 in the airstairs cone area.

Not sure this is accurate either. We don't know at all where that placard or that fiberglass piece came from. Still, if they did in fact come from 305, then both pieces support a central flight path. So, if you want to believe they did come from 305, then have it because they actually support my theory rather than yours.

Look, as I have said, I'm done debating this because there is no debate. The facts are obvious. The evidence is clear. If you and others want to be contrarian, then I certainly won't stand in your way, but I believe you are wrong and I think you are wasting your time. A top-notch researcher as yourself should dedicate their time and energy to more open-ended questions.

Just my two cents.

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Interesting that you dispute the 8:12 jump time but are OK with the much more complicated flight path.

This is objectively and categorically untrue. There is FAR more evidence pointing to a Victor 23 flight path than an 8:12 jump and you and I and everyone else both know it.

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I can point to many errors on the part of the FBI and others. Therefore, why is the flight path treated as gospel? The FBI itself even entertained the Washougal Washdown Theory and a more easterly flight path after the money find. It seems to me that if the FBI is willing to accept that perhaps the flight path is off, others should be open to that suggestion too.

The FBI and the United States Air Force both believe the central flight path is accurate. Moreover, there is no concrete evidence pointing to a western flight path. Again, you are relying on the deus ex machina of "someone messed up". Until you can prove "someone" messed up, then I'll side with the guys actually tracking the flight and reconstructing the radar date and conducting a massive, million dollar search.

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Finally, given the info pertaining to the placard and Cinebar finds, I think it is damn near impossible that these items didn't come from 305. After all, both have been confirmed as coming from within the interior of a 727 in the airstairs cone area.

Not sure this is accurate either. We don't know at all where that placard or that fiberglass piece came from. Still, if they did in fact come from 305, then both pieces support a central flight path. So, if you want to believe they did come from 305, then have it because they actually support my theory rather than yours.

Look, as I have said, I'm done debating this because there is no debate. The facts are obvious. The evidence is clear. If you and others want to be contrarian, then I certainly won't stand in your way, but I believe you are wrong and I think you are wasting your time. A top-notch researcher as yourself should dedicate their time and energy to more open-ended questions.

Just my two cents.

Chaucer, let me add my two cents here about your so-called research skills.  You recently claimed to have solved one of the Zodiac ciphers.  You and your associates got your 15 minutes of fame over a 1 or 2 day period as I predicted.  But in fact, you hadn't even determined what constituted the Zodiac cipher in question.

You are in no position to lecture anyone about doing research.  So let some hot air out of your ego.

LOL

Let me put my two cents in about YOUR research skills. Had you actually done any you would have known that at NO TIME did I claim to have had any part in solving the Z340. I didn't. Yes, Dave Oranchak, an acquaintance of mine, did but I did not nor did I ever make any claims that I had anything to do with it.

Moreover, had you done even further research you would have known that despite your claims to the contrary, the Z340 WAS solved, and the solution was confirmed by the FBI and countless other cryptographers.

If you think you somehow know better than all of them, well then my ego isn't the one we should be talking about here.

Meanwhile, keep trying to impress us with your "research skills". It's certainly doing wonders for your credibility. 

I spoke with Bruce Kitt about a year ago. we discussed the placard and the functions of the stairs. Boeing refers to the opening of the stairs by the box to the right of the stairs at the top. a lever is pushed and pulled to operate. I've never seen the emergency function inside the same box for normal operations.

The stairs are considered an emergency exit.

The placard indicates pulling a red handle that breaks a lock wire to allow the function to work. the normal function has a black lever and doesn't break any lock wire. several placards can be found on the door inside and on the outside. one is visible in the photo that shows the interior of the stairs.

Instructions are also on the small panel you speak of that you access to pull the red handle that breaks the lock wire when it's used. it appears to be another safety feature when the normal function doesn't work. on the outside of the plane is an access door where the ground crew can open and close the stairs. it also has an emergency function if the lever fails or hydraulic pressure is lost. a pump can be used to open and close them.

I'm not sure what airlines it was but there was an accident and the plane was on the ground and the stews opened the door to release the stairs but they failed to go down. they didn't know about the emergency function because they were never properly trained about the function. it also conceals the panel/door when the door for the normal operation of the stairs is opened. this was after the fact but explains they system and how it works.

I agree the normal operation control box is called emergency stair control. as mentioned it's considered a emergency exit. safety cards show this as a emergency exit unless it's a water landing. it will have an X over the opening on the card deleting the exit.

The safety cards explain that you pull the panel off and a plastic cover is removed to access the T handle to operate the emergency function. once  that is done about 3 feet of cable with the red T handle will be hanging down the side of the stairwell wall. there is writing on the panel with the holes in it that possibly explain how to remove it and the large placard might be how to operate the function.

Not a single photo can be found with this placard in place. we have found several pics or still shots of the emergency system installed that has the panel with the two holes the safety cards describe. none had the placard on them. that doesn't mean they were never there but no pics can be found with the placard in place.

Now, after the accident mentioned above the FAA suggested steps be taken to properly train the crew about the functions of the stairs even suggesting to have the main door swing the opposite direction so it doesn't cover the emergency function and proper placards in place.

The photo below shows the two doors/panels in the stairs. the red arrow is the main function door and the yellow is the emergency system. the main door also has placards on it..

Where is there something referring to or showing the T-handle?

Where is there something referring to or showing the T-handle?

I believe it's described in Boeing documents and can be seen on some safety cards...

Also, I've looked closely at the screen grab of the film from 305 and cannot be certain if there is a separate door next to the main panel door or not. Do you have a super clear picture? I can see what appears to be a shadow on the wall where the two-holes would be, but that could be a reflection of the silver placard on the front of the main door.

Let's take the money and think this through:

The money weighed 20 lbs. If it got wet it would have weighed appreciably more.

Now assuming he rid himself of everything except the money and that the FBI dropzone is correct, DBC would have had to walk approximately 30 miles in very difficult terrain, in poor weather conditions, while avoiding being seen, carrying a 20 lbs bag of cash.

Think about that for a moment. I challenge anyone to attempt a 30-mile walk carrying a 20 lbs weight in good conditions let alone what I described above.

For anyone, especially someone in his mid-40's, this is bordering on physically impossible--especially if he injured himself in any manner during the jump and landing.

This means DBC had to land much closer to Tena Bar than the FBI thinks. Unless, of course, someone wants to argue that he had the money in the trunk of his car and that he drove it to Tena Bar to bury it which makes absolutely no sense.

Needless to say, I do not believe DBC died that night by way of no-pulling on or near Tena Bar. Therefore, I consider the money find alone an extremely compelling piece of evidence that almost single-handedly significantly limits the actual dropzone to within a few miles of Tena Bar. If I'm right about that, the FBI Flight Path cannot be correct and the Western Flight Path cannot be incorrect.

This one really got me thinking EU.  20 pounds does not seem like much, until you've actually had to carry it for more than a few minutes.  He did not even have a good backpack to carry it in.  If it was wet, then it was even harder to carry. Plus the weight was not evenly distributed.  Maybe a 45 year old smoker can try to put a bag together and walk around the DZ at night carrying the bag and give us some input on what it is like.  It leads me to believe that whoever Cooper was, he would have needed to hide the money quickly, or have a means to get it out of there (car, boat).