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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #390 on: September 25, 2014, 03:41:52 PM »
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Actually I think Blevy might be right this time. I blew up this photo and believe that it's the path on the wall?

Those do not look like aeronautical charts to me.  The FBI maps, all of them, are aeronautical charts with plots on them.


It looks pretty damn close to me? I can make out what appears to be the flight path. anyone else?

Do you know the date of the map in the middle?  It has to be 1972 or earlier, but I don't see any recognizable features on it.


It's the map from the FBI website I believe. I've had it for a while. I turned up upright. the forum won't let me post a photo? have to see what is wrong. it's telling me it didn't pass security?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #391 on: September 25, 2014, 03:51:31 PM »
Let me try it again...here is the FBI map I have...I think this is the map Carr rolls out on the table in the video.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #392 on: September 25, 2014, 03:56:20 PM »
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Actually I think Blevy might be right this time. I blew up this photo and believe that it's the path on the wall?

Those do not look like aeronautical charts to me.  The FBI maps, all of them, are aeronautical charts with plots on them.


It looks pretty damn close to me? I can make out what appears to be the flight path. anyone else?

Do you know the date of the map in the middle?  It has to be 1972 or earlier, but I don't see any recognizable features on it.


It's the map from the FBI website I believe. I've had it for a while. I turned up upright. the forum won't let me post a photo? have to see what is wrong. it's telling me it didn't pass security?

The large "control zone", which presumably is for Portland, is not consistent with the Portland control zone shown on the FBI charts.

ON SECOND VIEWING, maybe it is consistent with Portland.  It is not a "control zone" but simply a boundary showing the base of the control area.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #393 on: September 25, 2014, 04:02:54 PM »
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Actually I think Blevy might be right this time. I blew up this photo and believe that it's the path on the wall?

Those do not look like aeronautical charts to me.  The FBI maps, all of them, are aeronautical charts with plots on them.


It looks pretty damn close to me? I can make out what appears to be the flight path. anyone else?

Do you know the date of the map in the middle?  It has to be 1972 or earlier, but I don't see any recognizable features on it.


It's the map from the FBI website I believe. I've had it for a while. I turned up upright. the forum won't let me post a photo? have to see what is wrong. it's telling me it didn't pass security?

The large "control zone", which presumably is for Portland, is not consistent with the Portland control zone shown on the FBI charts.


Didn't you say there was aeronautical changes after the map was made?
 

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« Reply #394 on: September 25, 2014, 04:07:43 PM »
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Actually I think Blevy might be right this time. I blew up this photo and believe that it's the path on the wall?

Those do not look like aeronautical charts to me.  The FBI maps, all of them, are aeronautical charts with plots on them.


It looks pretty damn close to me? I can make out what appears to be the flight path. anyone else?

Do you know the date of the map in the middle?  It has to be 1972 or earlier, but I don't see any recognizable features on it.


It's the map from the FBI website I believe. I've had it for a while. I turned up upright. the forum won't let me post a photo? have to see what is wrong. it's telling me it didn't pass security?

The large "control zone", which presumably is for Portland, is not consistent with the Portland control zone shown on the FBI charts.


Didn't you say there was aeronautical changes after the map was made?

I have amended my last post to indicate that what I was looking at was apparently simply an indicator of the base of the control area (which relates to altitude and visibility).

Since this map is presumably on the wall of the people doing the search in early 1972, it could not be dated later than 1972.  These aeronautical charts were updated ever six months in the 1972 era.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #395 on: September 25, 2014, 04:08:51 PM »
Here is a map from SkyVector. it appears they changed the "Control Area"
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #396 on: September 25, 2014, 04:23:43 PM »
Here is another flight path map. it's from "historicalwings.com"





An earlier best Estimate of the Flight Path of “Dan Cooper” on Northwest Orient Flight 305; Seattle is marked in yellow on top; overlaid onto a modern FAA sectional chart (2012) — best estimate of where he came down based on winds would be about 40 miles ENE of Portland International Airport (second large yellow area from the top as marked on this chart).
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #397 on: September 25, 2014, 04:25:10 PM »
And one more of a search map. this is from Seattlepi....
 

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« Reply #398 on: September 25, 2014, 04:43:49 PM »
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Here is a map from SkyVector. it appears they changed the "Control Area"

Major changes have been made in controlled airspace and its representation on maps since 1971.
 

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« Reply #399 on: September 25, 2014, 04:46:20 PM »
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Here is another flight path map. it's from "historicalwings.com"





An earlier best Estimate of the Flight Path of “Dan Cooper” on Northwest Orient Flight 305; Seattle is marked in yellow on top; overlaid onto a modern FAA sectional chart (2012) — best estimate of where he came down based on winds would be about 40 miles ENE of Portland International Airport (second large yellow area from the top as marked on this chart).

That "40 miles ENE of Portland International Airport" would put Cooper halfway to Pasco.  That just doesn't work.
 

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« Reply #400 on: September 25, 2014, 04:52:18 PM »
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And one more of a search map. this is from Seattlepi....

I would be wary of that one (search map) from the PI.

The PI also posted this! Note position of Tina Bar.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #401 on: September 25, 2014, 04:59:53 PM »
I think this is the site where I got the FBI map from. the link doesn't seem to work going to the FBI anymore. they probably took the photo down..

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Here is another look at the photo with the map on the wall. is it possible the "No's" are on that map?
Also Georger, do you know who the agent is? I can't find the site where the photo came from..
 

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« Reply #402 on: September 26, 2014, 03:02:13 AM »
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I think this is the site where I got the FBI map from. the link doesn't seem to work going to the FBI anymore. they probably took the photo down..

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Here is another look at the photo with the map on the wall. is it possible the "No's" are on that map?
Also Georger, do you know who the agent is? I can't find the site where the photo came from..

That may be Tom Manning.

What is this PI map supposed to depict ? Anyone know?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #403 on: September 26, 2014, 08:14:11 AM »
I don't know unless they are just showing a map they used? Ariel is boxed off?

the caption to the photo reads: A map used in 1972 during the search for D.B. Cooper. (The Associated Press/provided by seattlepi.com file)
 

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« Reply #404 on: September 26, 2014, 01:42:02 PM »
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I don't know unless they are just showing a map they used? Ariel is boxed off?

the caption to the photo reads: A map used in 1972 during the search for D.B. Cooper. (The Associated Press/provided by seattlepi.com file)

What is the attachment limit here?  I cant post any of the newspaper page photos I have here ???