Have you ever seen the actual search grid? it's not just around the area they thought he might be..I'm sure that changed as well over time.

Two sets of transcripts. one is behind on time because it's typed and sent.

Two sets of transcripts. one is behind on time because it's typed and sent.

Again, the reports of the oscillations are not the same as the pressure bump. We don't know when the pressure bump happened.

I agree, but with everything else we have confusion.

Carr thought they only responded to the oscillation. 302's contradict that statement. Rat also told him 10-15 minutes after the last contact vs 5-10 minutes. then the radar report of Scholls field which would indicate a later jump time at around 8:15. one 302 connected to the drop map indicates a search area down to the Columbia. basically, you have a search area from the Lewis river to the Columbia..

I agree 100%. We don't know exactly when he jumped regardless of when the oscillations. The oscillations =/= the pressure bump. For all we know, Cooper made his way down the stairs around 8:11/8:12 and spent a few minutes tossing his belongs out, then stood their bouncing on the bottom stairs trying to get his nerve to jump. I'm not saying that's what happened. My point is we don't know.

As Shutter said, he could have jumped anywhere from Lake Merwin to the Columbia.

IMO, the only way to triangulate the flight path and the money find on Tena Bar is to have Cooper jump somewhere near the Columbia. I can't say what mechanics were involved, but it would make the most sense to have the money end up upstream from where it arrived in the water.

ETA: The pertinent info on the timing of the oscillations can be found in the FBI Vault Part 41, p. 31.

Lots of things have been discussed over and over here as well as Dropzone. including the placard that doesn't look good at this point.


Basically, 64 nautical miles from Seattle to Malay.. 3 mile minutes would put you there in 21 minutes at 170 knots. the plane wasn't steady at 170 knots. he slowed to 155 for a period. some indicate 160. regardless of that you arrive around the same time frame at the Malay intersection. 8:00- 8:02. then another 43 miles to the Tbar area at 170 knots gives a time frame of around 14 minutes..

7:48 they start the climb to ten thousand and complete the climb at 7:54. a typo of 15,000 is reported. even the 8:22 report of 23 miles DME has an asterisk next to it which indicates a time issue.

7:36 takeoff time to 8:11 is 35 minutes. the miles are approx. 107 nautical miles. when you divide 107 into 3 it comes out to 35.6 minutes. but this isn't the case.unless the takeoff time is incorrect or speed changes. it only works on paper.

regardless of the transcripts it's 64 nautical miles from Seattle to Malay. from there it's 43 nautical miles. you break them up and it doesn't add up vs calculating simple math of 107 nautical miles divided by 3..

The transcripts and Harrison notes have the plane taking off at 7:36. it takes approx. 23 minutes to arrive at Toledo prior to turning. I think we can agree this is plausible due to speed changes. Malay is approx. two miles south of Toledo or Carlson field. this adds almost another minute giving arrival at approx 8:00 to 8:02 as worse case. then it's approx. 43 nautical miles from Malay to the Tbar area at a constant speed of 170 knots and probably a ground speed of 196. a 3 mile minute gives a time of about 14 minutes of  flight. unless a takeoff time is wrong, I can't see how this would work?

My simulator did the same with timing. 170 knots with a ground speed of 195-199 showed approx. 3 miles per minute DME.

Now, the 14 miles DME also has an asterisk on the time slot. do we know if wheels were up and a normal takeoff took place? 14 miles to 19 if not mistaken were where they slowed down and could explain the difference. SkyVector shows a distance of 61.8 miles from Seattle to Ed Carlson field with arrival of 25 minutes at 170. this area is kind of locked in, if you ask me?

SkyVector show Ed Carlson at 61.8 miles and Malay at 64.4....

Lots of things have been discussed over and over here as well as Dropzone. including the placard that doesn't look good at this point.


Basically, 64 nautical miles from Seattle to Malay.. 3 mile minutes would put you there in 21 minutes at 170 knots. the plane wasn't steady at 170 knots. he slowed to 155 for a period. some indicate 160. regardless of that you arrive around the same time frame at the Malay intersection. 8:00- 8:02. then another 43 miles to the Tbar area at 170 knots gives a time frame of around 14 minutes..

7:48 they start the climb to ten thousand and complete the climb at 7:54. a typo of 15,000 is reported. even the 8:22 report of 23 miles DME has an asterisk next to it which indicates a time issue.

7:36 takeoff time to 8:11 is 35 minutes. the miles are approx. 107 nautical miles. when you divide 107 into 3 it comes out to 35.6 minutes. but this isn't the case.unless the takeoff time is incorrect or speed changes. it only works on paper.

regardless of the transcripts it's 64 nautical miles from Seattle to Malay. from there it's 43 nautical miles. you break them up and it doesn't add up vs calculating simple math of 107 nautical miles divided by 3..

The transcripts and Harrison notes have the plane taking off at 7:36. it takes approx. 23 minutes to arrive at Toledo prior to turning. I think we can agree this is plausible due to speed changes. Malay is approx. two miles south of Toledo or Carlson field. this adds almost another minute giving arrival at approx 8:00 to 8:02 as worse case. then it's approx. 43 nautical miles from Malay to the Tbar area at a constant speed of 170 knots and probably a ground speed of 196. a 3 mile minute gives a time of about 14 minutes of  flight. unless a takeoff time is wrong, I can't see how this would work?

My simulator did the same with timing. 170 knots with a ground speed of 195-199 showed approx. 3 miles per minute DME.

Now, the 14 miles DME also has an asterisk on the time slot. do we know if wheels were up and a normal takeoff took place? 14 miles to 19 if not mistaken were where they slowed down and could explain the difference. SkyVector shows a distance of 61.8 miles from Seattle to Ed Carlson field with arrival of 25 minutes at 170. this area is kind of locked in, if you ask me?

SkyVector show Ed Carlson at 61.8 miles and Malay at 64.4....

The takeoff time was 7:36 PM PST according to Captain Scott.  He sit in on the FBI interviews of each of the crew members in Reno, which were done within a few hours of their landing there.  Everyone stated that the takeoff time was 7:36 PM.

The time at the 23 DME location was actually 8:18 PM PST according to George Harrison who was in on the ARINC radio patch with the airliner and not the 8:22 PM time that the ARINC teletype transcript was sent.

You cannot start in Seattle and arrive at any believable times and/or locations for the airliner using the available information.  The times and locations listed on the so-called FBI map are not accurate enough for determining the actual flight path.  For instance, how does the airliner fly 3 nautical miles in one minute and then in the very next minute fly 6 nautical miles while flying at a constant airspeed?

I believe Eric Ulis' book contains about 27 pages of information explaining the above.  Take a look at it.   

You don't know if it was a constant speed. this was the time frame the plane slowed down and we still haven't a clue if the plane tookoff and went with wheels up till getting to 14 miles DME and slowing down?  the 19 miles DME can be reached.

One simulation test showed the 14 miles couldn't be reached at low speeds but could reach the 19 miles DME.