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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3600 on: October 23, 2020, 05:30:32 PM »
The bigger problem is why the stairs locked on the ground if the emergency system was used...
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« Reply #3601 on: October 23, 2020, 06:08:03 PM »
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The bigger problem is why the stairs locked on the ground if the emergency system was used...

Where does "the stairs locked on the ground" come from?  The only remarks about the stairs on the ground in Reno was apparently that the stairs were dragging with only minor contact with the ground.

The flight crew left the aircraft by the rear stairs and the FBI apparently entered the aircraft by the rear stairs.   
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3602 on: October 23, 2020, 06:12:03 PM »
You can tell by the arms that the stairs are locked in place or it would be off the ground by several feet.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3603 on: October 23, 2020, 06:20:50 PM »
I think we are all aware that the emergency system is next to the main box inside the stairs for lowering. if Cooper utilized that function the cord and handle would be hanging on the wall. if it's pulled it breaks the pins that lock the rollers. a small panel would also be missing and either laying on the stairs or tossed out. a visible hole would be in the wall. even a 302 doesn't mention the emergency function when describing the stairs.

This function was not on all 727's...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3604 on: October 23, 2020, 06:36:42 PM »
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I'm mean even this is becoming an issue...it states a piece was found and someone from Boeing contacted them giving technical information regarding the part. not the cockpit or wheel functions. he explained it was from a rear door assembly. they probably had all the information required and checked and found the piece was not missing. the damage was found to be minimal at the least. that's the skirting. you can bet mechanics looked the plane over prior to allowing it back into service. just because it's in the woods or on top of a house doesn't mean it was from 305.

It simply doesn't add up.

1) A part from a 727 located inside the airstairs area was found in the woods and the individual from Boeing stated that he believes it fell from a 727 jet in-flight. By definition it has to have been a 727 flying with the airstairs down.

2) Nearly two years after the skyjacking someone at the FBI is tasked with determining whether this part came from 305 and states that this particular part wasn't missing from 305. OK, how exactly was this info verified?

Damn right I'm questioning this. I am well beyond giving the FBI a pass simply because they're the FBI. After all, I can point to at least 100 factual errors in the FBI documents. Plus, it just doesn't add up.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3605 on: October 23, 2020, 06:36:55 PM »
It's also possible the damage to the rollers only occur from the locked position and not the down and locked position..
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« Reply #3606 on: October 23, 2020, 06:47:21 PM »
5/19/1973 someone called from Tacoma in reference to a part that was found in the woods. he thought it would be of importance to the case. this means somehow multiple people are involved possibly from Boeing. he gives technical information about the 727. he was told an agent would contact him...

5/29/1973 he was contacted and told it was discussed in Seattle and was told the metal plate he described was intact on 305. it sounds like the part was never moved.

when you look at the first file it indicates two sub files. we simply don't have the whole story but appears to be dismissed.

What if it wasn't even in the flight path...no location given..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3607 on: October 23, 2020, 06:54:07 PM »
By the time we are done only the landing gear showed up in Reno  :rofl:
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« Reply #3608 on: October 23, 2020, 07:28:05 PM »
Nothing can really be done..

No location where the metal part was/is. if it came from the nose of the plane or inside what can be done where we stand? it's a dead end until further details come along to prove something different than what is already known.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3609 on: October 24, 2020, 12:35:38 AM »
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You can tell by the arms that the stairs are locked in place or it would be off the ground by several feet.

You are referring to when the airplane was parked and people were going up and down those stairs.

The stairs were not locked down when they were dragging on the pavement.

Remember that Cooper and Rataczak had an argument just before taking off from SEATAC.  Cooper stated that he knew that the aircraft could take off with the stairs down (and unlocked).  Rataczak apparently did know that and assumed that the stairs only had locked down or locked up positions.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3610 on: October 24, 2020, 01:05:50 AM »
I will try to make this as clear as I can which I have done in the past with this. the video (Cronkite) showing the plane on the ground (Reno) after the hijacking has the stairs down and locked.

When the plane was landing and going down the taxi they were not locked nor were they locked the entire flight. I guess it's like taking off the safety. it breaks the locking mechanism. I believe another photo shows them up and locked after the hijacking..

Now, if you look at what FJ posted it backs up what I've been saying here. using the emergency system will cause extensive damage to the stairs. more than I recalled. another document states the damage was local to the side panels only ruling out any damage to the stair functions.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3611 on: October 24, 2020, 11:53:58 AM »
The emergency panel is to the right of the main stair release. it's much smaller but does have writing on it along with two holes to pull the panel off the wall. If the door from the main panel is open it will cover this function since the door swings out to the right. a while back I was hoping a photo would show this option on 305 but the door is open covering that area to get any confirmation.

I don't think pressure would of pulled the placard off the wall since it wasn't pressurized and I doubt the exit would of done the damage. if Cooper seen it and tore it off in frustration then why didn't he use the system?

Mr. Blevins appears to be about 10 years behind. it's well known the lights are on the FE panel for the stairs and other doors. it's called a annunciator.


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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3612 on: October 24, 2020, 12:40:43 PM »
Frankly what would be very helpful are the photographs. There have got to be hundreds of photographs taken by the FBI covering all areas of the jet...including Tena Bar and perhaps even the money...that should be part of the files.

That said, I've been working on gaining direct access to the evidence in Washington, DC for a little while...Covid isn't helping. Looking at the evidence through a modern lens and knowing what to look for could be very enlightening.

We'll see.
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« Reply #3613 on: October 24, 2020, 12:53:05 PM »
It would be really nice if they allowed a team to put the files online. this case has no real victims to protect or any real reason to keep it from the public. we only get the fat off the meat. I still wonder what happened to all the files from NWO. that's separate from the FBI. where is the money the insurance company split with Brian?
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« Reply #3614 on: October 24, 2020, 01:16:31 PM »
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It would be really nice if they allowed a team to put the files online. this case has no real victims to protect or any real reason to keep it from the public. we only get the fat off the meat. I still wonder what happened to all the files from NWO. that's separate from the FBI. where is the money the insurance company split with Brian?

That's another thing I'd like to know...where the insurance company's portion of the bills are located. Also, where are all 14 of the FBI's bills...I've identified only 10 bills.
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