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Offline Chaucer

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3540 on: October 21, 2020, 12:00:39 AM »
The issue is the lack of any evidence to support a conspiracy. There’s the redacted ATC transcripts and a belief 305 flew over Tena Bar. Where’s the evidence? It’s just a convenient “deus ex machina” used to connect two totally unrelated things.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3541 on: October 21, 2020, 12:07:16 AM »
Plenty to support a conspiracy if you look. the map for one if they knew it was over the Tbar area. the radar operators from Portland giving specific details that would be false. huge waste of time and money showing an army of men in the wrong area. cost of airplanes, helicopters to search. hush money to the crew and NWO and the Air Force involved..just for starters..if it wasn't a conspiracy who convinced them they were wrong and changed things?
 

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« Reply #3542 on: October 21, 2020, 12:16:17 AM »
I'm not sold that the FBI cares enough to cover up the actual location of the plane. Cooper isn't any type of public figure politically connected or even known to warrant a cover up? I'm wondering if we would have double the trouble if McCoy wasn't caught. how many would swear they were one and the same more than the few today?
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« Reply #3543 on: October 21, 2020, 12:21:27 AM »
If you want the real truth...look up Bob Knoss on the DZ..he knows and speaks to McCoy often. him and Duane Weber did the Cooper jump. Rataczak was in on it too  :rofl: he called me the badger..
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« Reply #3544 on: October 21, 2020, 12:32:30 AM »
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It's not really that far off base. it does make sense to a point. I've said this many times. it makes EVERYTHING wrong and not just one point but everything...

A better theory could be developed around 'bureaucratic SNAFU' vs. conspiracy. They weren't even sure he had left the plane at Reno! Then others back up after examining evidence later and say he bailed over Lake Merwin. If that's a conspiracy it's the sloppiest conspiracy ever constructed!
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« Reply #3545 on: October 21, 2020, 01:09:08 AM »
We know the FBI doesn't like anyone getting in there business. they don't appear to care what we say or think in some cases. he jumped somewhere and once again nobody can agree on that either. he's dead, no he made it..he lost the money, no he didn't..it's endless..
 

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« Reply #3546 on: October 21, 2020, 02:28:06 AM »
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The issue is the lack of any evidence to support a conspiracy. There’s the redacted ATC transcripts and a belief 305 flew over Tena Bar. Where’s the evidence? It’s just a convenient “deus ex machina” used to connect two totally unrelated things.

Chaucer, you need to read the posts.  You would definitely learn something.  Then if you wanted to participate in the coverup I am sure that Georger would be willing to show you how to do it.

You need to check out the history of FOIA requests on the Cooper hijacking.  You obviously haven't done this.
 

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« Reply #3547 on: October 21, 2020, 02:47:28 AM »
All this talk of mass conspiracies. Could this explain why Tina Mucklow ran off to a convent, or wherever it was? Deeply religious, doesn't want to lie, but caught up in something bigger than herself, afraid for herself and her family?

Yeah, that was a joke. Or was it?...
 

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« Reply #3548 on: October 21, 2020, 03:24:20 AM »
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All this talk of mass conspiracies. Could this explain why Tina Mucklow ran off to a convent, or wherever it was? Deeply religious, doesn't want to lie, but caught up in something bigger than herself, afraid for herself and her family?

Yeah, that was a joke. Or was it?...

I doubt if Tina was involved in any conspiracy.  I believe that she continued to work at NWA for another 5 or 10 years as a flight attendant, went through a marriage and divorce, and maybe had some other turmoil in her life before she entered the convent.

If there is an actual conspiracy, it involves FBI bureaucrats in Washington, DC and not the field agents.
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« Reply #3549 on: October 21, 2020, 05:26:03 AM »
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All this talk of mass conspiracies. Could this explain why Tina Mucklow ran off to a convent, or wherever it was? Deeply religious, doesn't want to lie, but caught up in something bigger than herself, afraid for herself and her family?

Yeah, that was a joke. Or was it?...

I doubt if Tina was involved in any conspiracy.  I believe that she continued to work at NWA for another 5 or 10 years as a flight attendant, went through a marriage and divorce, and maybe had some other turmoil in her life before she entered the convent.

If there is an actual conspiracy, it involves FBI bureaucrats in Washington, DC and not the field agents.

I think 302s document Tina looking at suspect photos until at least 1976. Of course the Cooper conference was held that year. 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3550 on: October 21, 2020, 11:28:56 AM »
If someone claims the map is a joke, altered or made so we don't know exactly where the plane was, including altering transcripts does suggest a conspiracy or cover up?

Conspiracy: a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

It has all the ingredients it's harmful, secretive and unlawful since sworn documents were signed. if you don't want to use conspiracy then a cover up is about the samething.

The problem is the waste of money and time if they knew the map was wrong, altered or made to hide where the plane actually was?

The escape from Alcatraz was a little different since they just buried proof vs altering it. the documents found by the US Marshal's contradict statements of no crimes committed the following day of the escape. I think a lot of this had to do with a lot of egg on the face with the federals in general claiming an escape proof prison.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3551 on: October 21, 2020, 02:10:34 PM »
The hijacking was one of the most highly publicized events in modern history - the FBI disseminated information to every conceivable element of human society in order to get feedback and help. That's the very opposite of a conspiracy! Even technical information was shared!
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« Reply #3552 on: October 21, 2020, 02:21:30 PM »
Just going by what others claim. the transcripts are an issue but to believe it's mainly to hide where the plane was is certainly questionable. I like to question a lot of things but it causes a lot of flak in doing so..
 

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« Reply #3553 on: October 22, 2020, 09:22:53 AM »
Flyjack found another document surrounding Cinebar. this was is dated 5/19/73. this time it does say a portion of the stairs. he goes on to describe the part being from the rear door step assembly which still doesn't sound like the skirting. he also gives them technical information about the 727. no mention of railing in the description.

Is it two different parts found by Boeing employee's or the same guy from the 1975 document?

Nice find FJ
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3554 on: October 22, 2020, 10:10:54 AM »
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Flyjack found another document surrounding Cinebar. this was is dated 5/19/73. this time it does say a portion of the stairs. he goes on to describe the part being from the rear door step assembly which still doesn't sound like the skirting. he also gives them technical information about the 727. no mention of railing in the description.

Is it two different parts found by Boeing employee's or the same guy from the 1975 document?

Nice find FJ

1) Where does the document say anything about Cinebar?

2) The guy is from Tacoma--not Fife--and states he is aware of a part that has been found. He did not say he found the part.

3) Oh, and this document is dated 5/13/73 and the other document is dated 2/14/75--21 months later.

This has nothing to do with the Cinebar find. However, it may well be another piece from 305--in fact, it seems likely to be from 305.
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