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Offline Shutter

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3525 on: October 20, 2020, 10:36:59 PM »
Yes, isn't that a clue where the plane was? I'm just saying you keep screaming they covered up where the plane actually was. who did that.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3526 on: October 20, 2020, 10:39:09 PM »
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I mentioned this earlier, but I’d like to bring it up again. I noticed a discrepancy in the V23 centerline. On the FBI yellow map, V23 passes approximately 2 miles to the west of Toutle. On Skyvector, V23 is shown going directly over the top of Toutle.

Is there an explanation for this difference?

You bet there is.  There was an extended discussion of this difference a number of years ago on DropZone.  Snowmann eventually made some maps to illustrate this.  To make a long story short, Toutle was simply plotted at a different location on more recent maps.  That is all there is to it.


Silver lake seems to line up...

Portland VORTAC (now known as the Battleground VORTAC) and the Mayfield Intersection (now known as the Malay Intersection) are at the same geographical positions today that they were at in 1971.  It is simply the town of Toutle that got replotted at a different location.

I realize this Robert. I mentioned that prior to reading. had no idea what you were going to come up with..I just mentioned it was the same...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3527 on: October 20, 2020, 10:40:39 PM »
I have also mentioned that this is a conspiracy. you know that as well, right? a huge one..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3528 on: October 20, 2020, 11:04:35 PM »
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I have also mentioned that this is a conspiracy. you know that as well, right? a huge one..

There is definitely a conspiracy to prevent the unredacted Seattle ATC radio transcripts from being released.
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« Reply #3529 on: October 20, 2020, 11:07:03 PM »
If the FBI knew 305 flew west over Tena Bar and then redacted that information to cover it up, then why did they spend thousands, perhaps millions, of dollars and hundreds of man hours searching a dropzone 20 miles to the east?
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« Reply #3530 on: October 20, 2020, 11:12:38 PM »
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If the FBI knew 305 flew west over Tena Bar and then redacted that information to cover it up, then why did they spend thousands, perhaps millions, of dollars and hundreds of man hours searching a dropzone 20 miles to the east?

Why don't you ask the FBI that question?  Those of us that have asked the FBI/FAA basically that question got the run-around.  Maybe they will come clean with you.
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« Reply #3531 on: October 20, 2020, 11:14:49 PM »
You didn't get the run around. you got the basic standard open clause. that still exists today because it's not really closed. only with investigations.
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« Reply #3532 on: October 20, 2020, 11:18:45 PM »
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You didn't get the run around. you got the basic standard open clause. that still exists today because it's not really closed. only with investigations.
Also, it's a ridiculous notion with no basis in fact. My guess is the special agents still laugh about that while making coffee in the morning.

The Nixon administration couldn't even cover up a two bit burglary. I doubt highly they could cover up something like this. 
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« Reply #3533 on: October 20, 2020, 11:29:00 PM »
We know the FBI is not completely honest. they will typically hide documents from view. this would be a pretty elaborate cover up. a lot matches that would take a lot of time to construct and make it appear legit. even if they decided after the search. it's not just the FBI that would be behind this. the crew most certainly would know whether they flew a straight line or not. it just seems pretty simple to point out in minutes without notes? NWO would have to be in on it as well. toss in a few false radar reports to boot. then the Air Force would also have to be involved since they made the phony map? all the signatures on the transcripts. lots of people involved in a cover up. I doubt they had any intentions of making anything public. it's a little confusing to try and claim a cover up when it's not really known when they could even do it based on what took place months after the crime..

Take away the conspiracy and you will claim everything is just wrong which once again brings a shit load of people in that made massive mistakes. I think it's possible....I said possible that it's a timing issue for starters..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3534 on: October 20, 2020, 11:32:53 PM »
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You didn't get the run around. you got the basic standard open clause. that still exists today because it's not really closed. only with investigations.
Also, it's a ridiculous notion with no basis in fact. My guess is the special agents still laugh about that while making coffee in the morning.

The Nixon administration couldn't even cover up a two bit burglary. I doubt highly they could cover up something like this.

Robert's conspiracy theory is Laughable! Too many witnesses to everything going on ......... principles plus families plus helpers/workers, etc etc etc etc etc. Air Force, NWA, FBI, Law Enforcement, DNR, FAA, ...................  yepper they all agreed to conspire in an Edumacation Conspirathy!  Marilyn Monroe was part of it too! YEEEEEEEHAW!     Managers at airports and grounded pilots were listening to most of this live!   Its a part of the conspira-see.

Obviously R99 hasnt read too many 302s! Its easy to form a conspiracy theory from a cave.
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« Reply #3535 on: October 20, 2020, 11:37:19 PM »
I don't think anything is laughable to be honest. I'm simply pointing out what I think and it causes problems. I thought that's what we are here for. I thought for a while the dredge might be involved but never tried to push it because of uncertainty. I'm not discounting the path but I have a whole lot of questions.
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« Reply #3536 on: October 20, 2020, 11:41:43 PM »
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I don't think anything is laughable to be honest. I'm simply pointing out what I think and it causes problems. I thought that's what we are here for. I thought for a while the dredge might be involved but never tried to push it because of uncertainty. I'm not discounting the path but I have a whole lot of questions.

Consider the odds of it being a conspiracy! A conspiracy by ......... whom!?  How many conspiring?  How arranged between disparate agencies, individuals, etc ?

When what may be involved is convenants not to discuss some people adopted. 

If you want to shut people up start just talking conspiracy! Like Bruce does. There may be an agreement to stay away from wackoes who cause trouble. That is real! But not even that is a conspiracy - its self preservation based on experience spread by word of mouth short of going to Court for an injunction!
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« Reply #3537 on: October 20, 2020, 11:46:05 PM »
That's what I wrote in a post a minute ago. a lot would be involved. I'm not saying that's a fact either. it's a possibility given what has been said. obviously, something is wrong somewhere..NOTHING is conclusive that I can see.
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« Reply #3538 on: October 20, 2020, 11:48:34 PM »
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That's what I wrote in a post a minute ago. a lot would be involved. I'm not saying that's a fact either. it's a possibility given what has been said. obviously, something is wrong somewhere..NOTHING is conclusive that I can see.

pretty much agree except 302s detail an actual history and specific discussions and events based on discussions ans actions executed .... 

What R99 proposes is impossible practically speaking. A higher probability that Cooper flew home in a Yellow Cab waiting at 10,000ft at the ladder!
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3539 on: October 20, 2020, 11:54:54 PM »
It's not really that far off base. it does make sense to a point. I've said this many times. it makes EVERYTHING wrong and not just one point but everything...
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