Author Topic: Flight Path And Related Issues (Read 984779 times)

Robert99 · « **Reply #3450 on:** October 20, 2020, 12:55:23 AM »

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Are you calling this board illiterate?

No.

Shutter · « **Reply #3451 on:** October 20, 2020, 12:59:31 AM »

The problem both here and in our current political nightmare is that we have people who probably don't know what the term "credentials" means, or even how to spell it, trying to claim they know more about a given subject than the people who do know the subject.

georger · « **Reply #3452 on:** October 20, 2020, 01:12:18 AM »

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What’s everyone’s best guess on when Cooper jumped?

8:13 pm - 8:16 window. Its interesting that 99 never posts any 302s to defend his position. I think he's out of date. Could anyone posting here or anywhere else pass 99's credential requirement - NO! Just 99. In my life Ive found that credentials sometimes have meaning and sometimes not, and sometimes are a curse to getting at working solutions and the truth! Common sense carries weight with me.

I think as time goes on the FBI FOIA releases are going to begin to have a larger impact on all Cooper discussion as more people begin to read and absorb them. My God! Im 77 years old and here I am having spent months reading and absorbing these files, to put things in order and try to get a better perspective on the Cooper case. I think actual historical knowledge about this case actually matters.

For example: 302s document that after the Ingram find and Tosaw hiring Blake Payne to dredge and recover artifacts from the Columbia near Hayden Island in 1982, it was Portland's Dorwin Schreuder who first saw and examined some of these artifacts. Dorwin was interviewed by local reporters and rendered his judgement as best he could. These artifacts were then passed to Seattle and on to Labs for analysis and further judgment. Socalled parachute cord, a bone, etc. Its an interesting historical fact. And its me, Georger, releasing this information for the first time; not Shutter, EU, Blevins, R99, 377, FJ, Smith, etc . . . I will post the 302s as time rolls on. BTW the reason Tosaw had Payne searching around Hayden Island is because Tosaw had been told (by one official) that 305 crossed the Columbia over the tip of Hayden Island - a tip that turned out to be flawed!

I have always found that "credentials are as credentials DO" ............... whether its digging a ditch or working on the COVID virus. The Cooper case is somewhere in between these extremes and nobody needs anyone else's permission to do it!

So credentials are meaningless? The problem both here and in our current political nightmare is that we have people who probably don't know what the term "credentials" means, or even how to spell it, trying to claim they know more about a given subject than the people who do know the subject.

FYI, I have had a copy of Tosaw's 1985 book for about the last 10 years or so.

I didnt say that at all! Stop putting words in people's mouths.

georger · « **Reply #3453 on:** October 20, 2020, 01:25:06 AM »

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Are you calling this board illiterate?

Imho this board is far from illiterate. Many people read it and have opinions and never say a word. Sometimes less is more. Good night.

Shutter · « **Reply #3454 on:** October 20, 2020, 01:47:32 AM »

I take strong offense to that statement. I'm just a high school educated southern boy. folks like to take pokes at me at every corner. especially in politics.

dudeman17 · « **Reply #3455 on:** October 20, 2020, 02:59:00 AM »

What's that old quote, something about people being 'educated sufficiently so as to reason incorrectly'...

Shutter · « **Reply #3456 on:** October 20, 2020, 09:36:08 AM »

I prefer the company of peasants because they have not been educated sufficiently to reason incorrectly.

Michel de Montaigne

Parrotheadvol · « **Reply #3457 on:** October 20, 2020, 09:59:38 AM »

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I take strong offense to that statement. I'm just a high school educated southern boy. folks like to take pokes at me at every corner. especially in politics.

Sometimes less is more. I've met plenty of people over the years that were way more educated than me, who to put it simply, were eat up with dumbass. This isn't directed to anyone here, just a general statement. There are certainly people in the Cooper world that would fit that description, but none of those reside here.

EU · « **Reply #3458 on:** October 20, 2020, 11:46:53 AM »

So at the end of all of this we're right where it all began in that R99 and I subscribe to the Western Flight Path and everyone else subscribes to the FBI Flight Path.

Additionally, I am convinced that the placard and skirt are very important, overlooked, pieces of evidence from 305, and some others don't. As well, I consider the location and condition of the Tena Bar money find as critical pieces of the story that support the theory that DBC himself buried, and later retrieved, the money minus $5,800.

I've planted my flag in the ground and made my claim. We'll see who's right in the end.

Shutter · « **Reply #3459 on:** October 20, 2020, 12:36:56 PM »

I don't care if you plant 10 flags. that's your right. it's based on inconclusive evidence turned into fact. my limited edumacation tells me this. I have to use "edumacate" vs educate given the facts of my background. I'll just dummy myself down..

My limited edumacation also tells me one should always question a theory presented as fact. the higher edumacated folks are questioning the theory/proof presented by the uneducated FBI, Air Force, radar operators etc. so why not more limited edumacated people to cross examine. you should encourage this to make oneself look even better vs insulting there backgrounds? i might even consider removing members with no collage degrees. turn it into a wannabe mensa board? perhaps get that know it all from Seattle in here to counter those gifted and level the field? my limited edumacation once again tells me you are wrong starting right from the first sentence in your post.

Edumacate; An uneducated way people, including Redneck's, Hill-Billy's and Feral people use in place of the word Education to sound smarter than they may be.

Chaucer · « **Reply #3460 on:** October 20, 2020, 12:42:38 PM »

FWIW, I work in academics. I am surrounded by people with far fewer "credentials" than me that know more than I do about my subject area. I am also surrounded by people with four office walls filled with "Credentials" (diplomas, certifications, trainings, etc.) who don't know diddly.

I find that the people touting their "credentials" are usually the ones most insecure about their actual knowledge base.

EU · « **Reply #3461 on:** October 20, 2020, 12:51:30 PM »

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I don't care if you plant 10 flags. that's your right. it's based on inconclusive evidence turned into fact.

Are you suggesting evidence should not be considered to draw conclusions? What would Sherlock Holmes think?

I'll ask yet again because not one single person has taken a stab at it...How the F can anyone explain how the skirt and placard--both of which came from INSIDE, yes INSIDE, once again INSIDE--of a 727 end up in the woods if the back airstairs door is not open in-flight?

That fact alone proves beyond a REASONABLE doubt that they both came from 305...unless, of course, commercial airliners make a habit of flying around Washington State--and apparently only Washington State--with their airstairs deployed.

Chaucer · « **Reply #3462 on:** October 20, 2020, 12:55:29 PM »

Again...

Whether it came from 305 or not is irrelevant: both pieces were found too far east for a western flight path.

EU · « **Reply #3463 on:** October 20, 2020, 01:05:42 PM »

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Again...

Whether it came from 305 or not is irrelevant: both pieces were found too far east for a western flight path.

That is simply not true. The wind was blowing toward the northeast. At 10,000 feet the winds were around 35-40 mph as I recall. Therefore, both items had no choice but to end up east of the actual flight path.

That said, both locations disprove the FBI Flight Path unless something very bizarre happened like someone found the placard and walked it several miles to the west before depositing it again.

Robert99 · « **Reply #3464 on:** October 20, 2020, 01:10:17 PM »

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Again...

Whether it came from 305 or not is irrelevant: both pieces were found too far east for a western flight path.

To reply to several of Chaucer's and Georger's posts, I would like to point out that it was Georger who started this discussion to discredit credentials.

A question for Chaucer. When you need a brain surgeon, do you seek out a trained medical doctor with a number of degrees and other such items on his office wall, or do you ask the near illiterate illegal immigrant who mows your lawn to do the job.

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