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Offline Shutter

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3420 on: October 18, 2020, 12:00:00 AM »
Yes, it's possible to be from that area. it says above the stairs. I was shot down when I mentioned above the complete stairs and railing. my post surrounds the dimensions and didn't feel the need to post the document for the 20th time.

I strongly feel since he worked for Boeing at the time he would of noted it was not a whole piece and only a partial part. the possibility of it coming from 305 are dropping.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3421 on: October 18, 2020, 01:34:36 AM »
Which placard came off of 305?

The Cinebar is looking bad so we need to work more around the fact of two items that can really only come down to one or none at all? (placards/decal)
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« Reply #3422 on: October 18, 2020, 09:59:16 AM »
I literally cannot believe the tortured rationale I’m reading here. He did not say it was piece of part? He suggested it was the entire part? The dimensions were clean cut and precise? Really?

The document speaks for itself. Not only is it the right size, it came from INSIDE the back cone area above the door. How much more precise can you get? This is from INSIDE the airliner. Like the Placard. The INSIDE. Meaning the airstairs door had to be OPEN in flight.

You guys really think there are airliners flying around with their airstairs deployed shedding parts that size for the hell of it?

Come on now. This is silly.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #3423 on: October 18, 2020, 10:55:28 AM »
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I literally cannot believe the tortured rationale I’m reading here. He did not say it was piece of part? He suggested it was the entire part? The dimensions were clean cut and precise? Really?

Correct, he said a large part from a 727 was found. the entire skirt would be a part, no? each side is not 8" x 40" so why wouldn't he say it a small piece of a larger piece or part? that would be a very small percentage of the actual part. he goes further to look the part up and fails to say it's part of the material that goes on the railing of the stairs. he only says it's directly above the stairs. the Boeing employee didn't appear to share your thoughts of being 100% from 305? I don't see anything suggesting "tortured rationale"

The FBI would of agreed 100% if it was noted as a piece from the skirting?

If I took the time to look up the part number and find it's only a piece of a larger part I would of noted it that way?
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« Reply #3424 on: October 18, 2020, 12:14:09 PM »
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I literally cannot believe the tortured rationale I’m reading here. He did not say it was piece of part? He suggested it was the entire part? The dimensions were clean cut and precise? Really?

Correct, he said a large part from a 727 was found. the entire skirt would be a part, no? each side is not 8" x 40" so why wouldn't he say it a small piece of a larger piece or part? that would be a very small percentage of the actual part. he goes further to look the part up and fails to say it's part of the material that goes on the railing of the stairs. he only says it's directly above the stairs. the Boeing employee didn't appear to share your thoughts of being 100% from 305? I don't see anything suggesting "tortured rationale"

The FBI would of agreed 100% if it was noted as a piece from the skirting?

If I took the time to look up the part number and find it's only a piece of a larger part I would of noted it that way?

This is all pure speculation that is loose at best. Again, this is an FBI agent recounting what the guy informed them of. It was verified as a large size part from a 727. Why does it literally have to be the entire part? Where does the guy who found it say he doesn’t think it is related to DB Cooper or 305?

That said, what about the obvious? How the hell does a piece of an airliner from the INSIDE end up in the woods?

It is obvious what piece is being discussed here. Look at the footage of the jet in Reno, it even measures close to the stated dimensions. Plus it was identified as coming from above the door. That is precisely where the panel was located...the airstairs are a door.

Listen, if some want to ignore this actual physical piece of evidence then so be it. I suppose it’s time to move on from this subject then.
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« Reply #3425 on: October 18, 2020, 12:45:08 PM »
It's logical speculation based on what has been said and mentioned. you don't come forward without all the facts to present. he mentions a part, not a piece of one. that's extremely important while trying to explain or prove something. looking up the part and failing to mention it's partial would be damaging to the find. simply stating it was found near the location of the path without even knowing where gives permission to rule out any given path? I don't believe he went out of his way to look the part number up and fail to say it was part of a larger piece or part. that would of pegged it off the chart. nothing verifies what it is. didn't you fail to find the part number on the material. how did a small piece have one?

The placard terminology states the placard location was near the read door. the Cinebar find states a similar terminology of it being above the rear door. which is right or wrong? two placards now have to come from 305 using this logic. one is 99 percent sure it came from the hijacked plane and it's not the Hicks placard.
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« Reply #3426 on: October 18, 2020, 01:02:19 PM »
I don't make it a habit to post things as fact. I suggest things or show reasons to believe they are not factual or I would post my findings on the website as such. I don't try to push it onto people. I try to explain my reasoning and never turn assumptions into facts or make them appear that way.
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« Reply #3427 on: October 18, 2020, 01:16:51 PM »
The document speaks for itself.

A piece of a Boeing 727 from INSIDE was found in the woods. The size and location of the piece line-up perfectly with the missing skirts. Yeah that’s pretty convincing.

Kind of like, the money that was found at Tena Bar that didn’t have the full serial numbers—only a partial—but nonetheless matches a portion of the serial number of one of Cooper’s bills can safely be assumed that it was a Cooper bill. To say, “well the entire serial number is not visible, therefore we can’t prove 100% that it’s a Cooper bill” is nuts.
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« Reply #3428 on: October 18, 2020, 01:23:39 PM »
That's not even close in comparison. money is money and full serial numbers were noted. the condition was explained as well.

It does not say ANYWHERE a piece was found. it specifically states a part was found.
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« Reply #3429 on: October 18, 2020, 01:27:06 PM »
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The document speaks for itself.

A piece of a Boeing 727 from INSIDE was found in the woods. The size and location of the piece line-up perfectly with the missing skirts. Yeah that’s pretty convincing.

Kind of like, the money that was found at Tena Bar that didn’t have the full serial numbers—only a partial—but nonetheless matches a portion of the serial number of one of Cooper’s bills can safely be assumed that it was a Cooper bill. To say, “well the entire serial number is not visible, therefore we can’t prove 100% that it’s a Cooper bill” is nuts.

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« Reply #3430 on: October 18, 2020, 02:15:41 PM »
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I don't make it a habit to post things as fact. I suggest things or show reasons to believe they are not factual or I would post my findings on the website as such. I don't try to push it onto people. I try to explain my reasoning and never turn assumptions into facts or make them appear that way.

I agree 100 % and I’m always open to opinions but having an opinion doesn’t make it a fact ! A perfect example is shown by the Memorandum posted by Shutter regarding the Cinabar find ! The hunter states that the part MIGHT be related to the D B Cooper hijacking. However it’s also contradicted by the statement that no part that large is missing from the Norjack plane ! I apply similar reasoning to the tie particles being very interesting but do those particles prove where Cooper worked ? I can go on and on talking about great opinions and great theories! I have a few of my own. However facts aren’t exactly outnumbering Theories in this case !
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« Reply #3431 on: October 18, 2020, 02:56:47 PM »
I am still waiting for someone to explain how an 8" X 40" part from INSIDE the airstairs area of a 727 airliner ends up in the woods if it wasn't from 305?

Now if you want to continue to ignore this inconvenient FACT and hang your hat on "the Boeing employee would have said it was
a piece of a part" well OK then. There's really nothing more I can add.

The part--or piece thereof--was from 305.

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« Reply #3432 on: October 18, 2020, 03:24:40 PM »
It doesn’t matter if it was from 305 or not. It’s location doesn’t support a western flight path, and in fact places 305 farther east. Full stop.

I don’t see the purpose of parsing this.
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« Reply #3433 on: October 18, 2020, 03:37:44 PM »
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It doesn’t matter if it was from 305 or not. It’s location doesn’t support a western flight path, and in fact places 305 farther east. Full stop.

I don’t see the purpose of parsing this.

Of course it matters if it's from 305. It's only the third piece of evidence found outside of the jet.

And yes, it would place 305 further east of the FBI Flight Path. That is important. Right?
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« Reply #3434 on: October 18, 2020, 04:18:37 PM »
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It doesn’t matter if it was from 305 or not. It’s location doesn’t support a western flight path, and in fact places 305 farther east. Full stop.

I don’t see the purpose of parsing this.

Of course it matters if it's from 305. It's only the third piece of evidence found outside of the jet.

And yes, it would place 305 further east of the FBI Flight Path. That is important. Right?

It does indeed matter and it places 305 on the V-23 centerline, exactly where it should be at that point, while the FBI Flight Path in that area is several miles further west of the V-23 centerline.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that any 727 flew with it aft stairs down, except the hijacked airliner, in that geographical area.  The FBI tests were done over the Pacific Ocean west of Seattle.  And in all probability, the original Boeing tests with the aft stairs down were done at Moses Lake, Washington east of the Cascade Mountains in Central Washington where Boeing had a test base.
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