I’m going to ask a respectful, straightforward question, but one that is bound to rile everyone up.

What physical evidence (excluding personal opinions or feelings) exists that suggest a Western Flight Path?

I know that R99 will say that “this has been discussed since 2009” and/or some form of “do your own research”, so he is excused from answering. But I’d appreciate to hear some hard evidence and facts that point toward a flight path that puts the plane above Tena Bar.

I also don’t want to hear arguments why the presumed FBI flight path is wrong. That’s a different question.

I would like to hear factual evidence that indicate the Western Flight Path is accurate.

1) The placard find location.

2) The fiberglass skirt find location.

3) The money find location.

and along the same lines but focusing on the opposite...

4) The complete lack of a single piece of physical evidence pointing to any other flight path. None. Zilch. Nada. Zero. After 49 years.

Thanks, EU. I appreciate the reply.

Is that it? I don’t mean that in a glib “Is that all you got?” kind of way. I just want to make sure that you provide all the evidence that you have, and not leave anything out no matter how trivial.

I know you have spoken with an ATC operator, for example...

I was focusing exclusively on physical evidence because physical evidence doesn't have an agenda and cannot be wrong. There is testimony and thoughts from the air traffic controller, Captain Scott, Major Dawson and other evidence too. But that is quite numerous and doesn't definitively prove the Western Flight Path.

That’s fair. Thanks again.

Perhaps you can clarify something that’s confusing me.

My understanding is that the coordinates for the staircase panel find are   46°36'19.0"N 122°32'20.0"W (got these from Shutter).

If I am reading the map correctly, that would put the find to the EAST of the FBI flight path. With a wind blowing to the northeast how would the Cinebar find be used for a western flight path if it is east of the FBI pencil line on the yellow map?

To be clear, I’m not being argumentative. It’s late here, and I’m honestly confused and hope you can clarify. Thanks.

The coordinates I have for the placard find are 46.243157 N, 122.683612 W. I'm not sure how that translates to the other coordinate system.

Regardless, this puts the placard find slightly southwest of the FBI Flight Path--about 1/2 mile. In any case, the placard drift analysis conducted by R99 shows that the placard would have drifted about 7-8 miles to the northeast once it separated from the jet. Therefore, it can be deduced that the location of the airliner was about 7-8 miles to the southwest of where the placard was found at the time it separated.

The exact location of the fiberglass skirt find is not known. However, we know it was found on public hunting lands in the Cinebar area. With that in mind, and working from the very western edge of the hunting lands and applying a drift analysis for the fiberglass skirt indicates that the airliner was no more than a couple of miles from the western edge of the hunting lands at best. This means that the airliner was actually several miles east of the FBI Flight Path at that point. I have long suspected this because I have flown out of SeaTac probably hundreds of times and know that jets fly due south for a period of time before heading in a different direction--the FBI Flight Path indicates an immediate turn toward Maylay from SeaTac which again I have always suspected is wrong.

What all of this means is that the FBI Flight Path appears to be wrong in at least two spots. If I'm right about this then it calls into question the integrity of the entire map. And considering that the money was found no where near the FBI search area I think further supports a more direct, and western, flight path.

How quick can we shoot this down? other than them not watching the plane and only the pilots were concerned about the bomb..

This is very easy to dispute. After all, we're dealing with a controller who is being asked to note precisely where the jet was at a specific moment in time that was not notable for any particular reason--remember, nobody knew that Cooper had jumped--two days after the fact. Also, there were four jets in the air that night. How did he know who was who?

As I've stated before, it also makes sense if you consider that what is being referenced here was not 305 but the F-106s.

The problem that people who don't subscribe to the Western Flight Path are going to have is explaining away the actual physical evidence along the Western Flight Path and the complete lack of physical evidence along the FBI Flight Path.

As I stated above, the physical evidence does not have an agenda. It cannot be wrong. It cannot make a mistake.

You don't really believe they look at blips not knowing who is who? ever heard of mid air collisions? you don't have any proven evidence.

What do you mean nobody knew until two days later?

He was asked days later to recollect where the jet was at a specific point that had no meaning or significance. It's not like Cooper jumped and a light went off and everyone took note of the spot of the jet on a black radar monitor.