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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2775 on: September 08, 2019, 02:36:24 PM »
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I believe they contacted Paul when the radioed Seattle. that's why they make the reference of it being in the company log for the exact time. during there statements they obviously didn't have the information in front of them and used the company log as the reference for a jump time and state 5-10 minutes after the last contact with Cooper was by memory.

Do we know the exact time?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2776 on: September 08, 2019, 02:37:36 PM »
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I believe they contacted Paul when the radioed Seattle. that's why they make the reference of it being in the company log for the exact time. during there statements they obviously didn't have the information in front of them and used the company log as the reference for a jump time and state 5-10 minutes after the last contact with Cooper was by memory.

Harold E Anderson, was interviewed at the Reno Airport, Reno Nevada, late on the evening of November 24, 1971. He identified himself as the Third Officer & Flight Engineer on Northwest Airlines Flight #305. 

His testimony was fresh and identical to his testimony 40+ years later.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2777 on: September 08, 2019, 02:38:31 PM »
Carr believes they got the oscillation and pressure bump mixed up. I believe Rat told Carr up to 15 minutes after the 8:05 location. I still believe this to be a cluster fuck of issues that none of them were prepared for and Cooper slipped in, or out and caught them with there pants down. we see much improvements with tracking the planes and using beepers in future copycat hijackings and were on top of them rather quickly. lesson learned I believe is a good term...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2778 on: September 08, 2019, 02:38:49 PM »
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I believe they contacted Paul when the radioed Seattle. that's why they make the reference of it being in the company log for the exact time. during there statements they obviously didn't have the information in front of them and used the company log as the reference for a jump time and state 5-10 minutes after the last contact with Cooper was by memory.

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Do we know the exact time?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2779 on: September 08, 2019, 02:48:00 PM »
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Carr believes they got the oscillation and pressure bump mixed up. I believe Rat told Carr up to 15 minutes after the 8:05 location. I still believe this to be a cluster fuck of issues that none of them were prepared for and Cooper slipped in, or out and caught them with there pants down. we see much improvements with tracking the planes and using beepers in future copycat hijackings and were on top of them rather quickly. lesson learned I believe is a good term...

I believe the company log would clear all of this up. Who, what, when ... I believe the company log would confirm Anderson's 1971 testimony the evening after they landed in NWA. I believe Anderson's testimony that evening is the reason Anderson went on the test flight vs any other crew member including Scott or Rataczak! In fact we have a statement from one of the TAG team members that basically confirms that assumption. Who among the crew was actually keeping track of their position and taking notes? Apparently it was Anderson! ??

At this late date people can make up anything they want - Anderson's testimony sets the baseline. Was the company log used to set the time of Cooper's jump and how was it used? That is the issue at debate - not EU's imaginations.  :nono: 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2780 on: September 08, 2019, 02:48:35 PM »
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Carr believes they got the oscillation and pressure bump mixed up. I believe Rat told Carr up to 15 minutes after the 8:05 location. I still believe this to be a cluster fuck of issues that none of them were prepared for and Cooper slipped in, or out and caught them with there pants down. we see much improvements with tracking the planes and using beepers in future copycat hijackings and were on top of them rather quickly. lesson learned I believe is a good term...

Why would this be an issue? If it was recorded in the NWO logs the FBI should have the info. Again, do we have anything firm regarding the exact time?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2781 on: September 08, 2019, 02:50:03 PM »
I'm not too familiar with current statements. I'm looking at statements made that evening. do we have a exact time, I haven't a clue. they believe they did and now claim he jumped further south. the transcripts show an oscillation occurred but no mention of a pressure bump. that's appears to be the issue. they believe he jumped at 8:12 based on the testing done that recreated the exact samethings as it happened that evening.

Using the simulator and the flight path given the plane arrives at around the same location that's marked on the map. that's using the same speeds, timing, weather and altitude. that's what I found. all the time references and radar statements need to be pulled together and try to make sense of all the confusion. lots of conflicting statements that need addressed. it's a good way to try and make sense of this.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2782 on: September 08, 2019, 02:52:51 PM »
I currently have over 50 documents surrounding the flight path. I'm missing a third drop map and data I haven't found yet. I'm going to put them in order by date to look for clues. it's taken a lot of time scrolling through all the 302's. once it's sorted out it will be placed in the vault..
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2783 on: September 08, 2019, 02:54:01 PM »
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Carr believes they got the oscillation and pressure bump mixed up. I believe Rat told Carr up to 15 minutes after the 8:05 location. I still believe this to be a cluster fuck of issues that none of them were prepared for and Cooper slipped in, or out and caught them with there pants down. we see much improvements with tracking the planes and using beepers in future copycat hijackings and were on top of them rather quickly. lesson learned I believe is a good term...

Why would this be an issue? If it was recorded in the NWO logs the FBI should have the info. Again, do we have anything firm regarding the exact time?

YOU need to go back and read the thread!

It was an ISSUE because time passed between when oscillations started and when a bump occured, and when it all got recorded. Anderson makes that clear! Go back and read the thread!
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2784 on: September 08, 2019, 02:56:50 PM »
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Carr believes they got the oscillation and pressure bump mixed up. I believe Rat told Carr up to 15 minutes after the 8:05 location. I still believe this to be a cluster fuck of issues that none of them were prepared for and Cooper slipped in, or out and caught them with there pants down. we see much improvements with tracking the planes and using beepers in future copycat hijackings and were on top of them rather quickly. lesson learned I believe is a good term...

Why would this be an issue? If it was recorded in the NWO logs the FBI should have the info. Again, do we have anything firm regarding the exact time?

The question you should be asking is:  Why did Scott say or even think Cooper bailed at Merwin Lake when his own FE Anderson says it happened clear down near Portland and the Columbia?

Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Obviously something is wrong.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2785 on: September 08, 2019, 02:57:07 PM »
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Why would this be an issue? If it was recorded in the NWO logs the FBI should have the info. Again, do we have anything firm regarding the exact time?

It's recorded and marked by time but was this only the oscillation vs the bump. if Cooper was on the stairs for just a minute then 3 miles already went by.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2786 on: September 08, 2019, 03:00:31 PM »
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Why would this be an issue? If it was recorded in the NWO logs the FBI should have the info. Again, do we have anything firm regarding the exact time?

It's recorded and marked by time but was this only the oscillation vs the bump. if Cooper was on the stairs for just a minute then 3 miles already went by.

That is why they ran the test flight to try and replicate conditions. To confirm a time and location.

How is it the three cockpit crew can be completely at odds about any of this! ?

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2787 on: September 08, 2019, 03:04:00 PM »
Let me see if this clears anything up. Eric is correct that it should be noted in the company log for the correct time. however, it appears now this could only be the oscillation and not the actual jump. it gets more confusing because Anderson was on the plane for the testing a the drops made the recreation exact as he felt that evening. if they stated that's where he might of jump then it might be accurate. all of this needs to be pulled together vs bits a pieces.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2788 on: September 08, 2019, 03:11:06 PM »
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Let me see if this clears anything up. Eric is correct that it should be noted in the company log for the correct time. however, it appears now this could only be the oscillation and not the actual jump. it gets more confusing because Anderson was on the plane for the testing a the drops made the recreation exact as he felt that evening. if they stated that's where he might of jump then it might be accurate. all of this needs to be pulled together vs bits a pieces.

Who if anyone in the crew, had been 'assigned' the task of keeping track of where they were and when things were happening? Anyone? It appears it was the flight engineer. He was the only person not flying the plane or dealing with Cooper. Anderson's interview testimony late the evening when they landed at Reno is the "only" testimony that speaks directly to the issue of when and where Cooper jumped. Scott gives no testimony at all! Rataczak does not address any of these issues in his testimony! It was Anderson who was trying to keep track of things! That is why Anderson was chosen to go on the test flight and became part of the TAG Team. 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2789 on: September 08, 2019, 03:56:16 PM »
Here is the files I have surrounding the flight path. they are not in order yet but thought some might want to look them over and not have to scroll around file after file...

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