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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #255 on: April 13, 2014, 04:29:35 PM »
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Shutter and Georger, where is this link to the Bayesian analysis of MH flight 370 that you are talking about?

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It was apparently Link 1.  Thank you.
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« Reply #256 on: May 01, 2014, 07:28:58 PM »
Here is a short video I made showing the view from the rear stairs on the simulator....

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« Reply #257 on: May 02, 2014, 01:06:43 AM »
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!  I'm having flashbacks!
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« Reply #258 on: May 02, 2014, 01:14:07 AM »
Don't worry, Shutter has erased your fingerprints.  Go back to bed.
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« Reply #259 on: May 02, 2014, 06:27:13 AM »
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!  I'm having flashbacks!


Hmmm, flashbacks? I didn't see any inverted, nose diving, totally out of control roller coaster plummets to earth leaving no survivors?  8) ;D ;)
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« Reply #260 on: May 02, 2014, 04:54:55 PM »
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Here is a short video I made showing the view from the rear stairs on the simulator....



very nice! Question:  Is the time and lighting condition accurate?  What time did you set to?  8:11pm pst or close
to that?
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« Reply #261 on: May 02, 2014, 06:10:41 PM »
I didn't set anything to that evening, I can. I was just showing the view so to speak. I don't know how accurate it is from day/nite? it does have day/month that can be set.

I'll set it for Nov, 24 @ 8:10 and show the view.
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« Reply #262 on: May 18, 2014, 11:39:32 AM »
Coop, I just listened to a radio program that aired a month after the chute find. is there any supporting evidence that Cooper left the third chute on the plane after he jumped? I understand the missing D rings, but would still like to have something concrete about 3 chutes left behind.

this topic could also go under the clues topic, but does pertain to the flight path & jump.

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« Reply #263 on: May 19, 2014, 12:05:10 AM »
I know of no records or documentation that states three chutes found abroad 305.  Only two.  One was a reserve, opened and strewn over a few seats, now in Seattle evidence.  The second was the Pioneer and went back to Hayden eventually - 1980-something.
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« Reply #264 on: May 19, 2014, 12:07:29 AM »
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I know of no records or documentation that states three chutes found abroad 305.  Only two.  One was a reserve, opened and strewn over a few seats, now in Seattle evidence.  The second was the Pioneer and went back to Hayden eventually - 1980-something.


That's what Galen stated in the video.....
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« Reply #265 on: May 19, 2014, 03:45:07 AM »
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I know of no records or documentation that states three chutes found abroad 305.  Only two.  One was a reserve, opened and strewn over a few seats, now in Seattle evidence.  The second was the Pioneer and went back to Hayden eventually - 1980-something.

That's what Galen stated in the video.....

Unless someone has documentation or a source, I go with Ckret's version which is 2 chutes found on the plane.
One intact. The other stripped for chord. (as Bruce says) 2 chutes gone one of which was the chute with missing panels (which 377 says might have still worked!) but marked with an X and used as a demonstration chute ...
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« Reply #266 on: May 19, 2014, 08:29:31 AM »
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I know of no records or documentation that states three chutes found abroad 305.  Only two.  One was a reserve, opened and strewn over a few seats, now in Seattle evidence.  The second was the Pioneer and went back to Hayden eventually - 1980-something.

That's what Galen stated in the video.....

Unless someone has documentation or a source, I go with Ckret's version which is 2 chutes found on the plane.
One intact. The other stripped for chord. (as Bruce says) 2 chutes gone one of which was the chute with missing panels (which 377 says might have still worked!) but marked with an X and used as a demonstration chute ...



377 would have to clarify what he means...here is what Carr said. I'm sure you have seen this.

The agent who originally interviewed Cossey mistakenly reported it was sewn shut. it was not sewn shut, the canopy was cut in half and the panels then sewn together. This was done so that when students practiced deploying the emergency canopy they could easily gather it and quickly stuff it back in the container for another practice throw.
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« Reply #267 on: May 19, 2014, 10:58:03 AM »
Did Cooper keep the lights off in the cabin? I've been reading about McCoy's jump. it's so much different than what Cooper did. after reading it, you have to wonder if Cooper even had a plan where he was going to jump. if you ask me, it points again that he was going to jump early?

"The hijacker opened his luggage and covered the peephole between the cockpit and cabin. Observed by Second Officer Floyd Smith (fictitious name) through a slight space under the cockpit door, the hijacker quickly put on a jumpsuit, helmet, and parachute. Once he had shut off the cabin lights to better view the ground, the gunman demanded to be kept abreast of wind, ground, and air speeds; altimeter settings; and sky conditions."
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #268 on: May 19, 2014, 11:17:53 PM »
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Did Cooper keep the lights off in the cabin?

I don't remember what, if anything, Ckret may have said.  But there is some evidence in the "Harrison" papers and one bit in the comm transcripts.  At the same time as the "oscillation" report, someone at SEATAC noted that the forward cabin lights were on.  Then, at 0559Z, there was a notation that apparently 305 had confirmed that one of the aft entry lights was on and the airstair lights were on.  This was reported again at 0641Z.  Then, when the plane landed at Reno, the tower said stair lights were on.

The aft entry lights were selectable.  Either a dim incandescent or a bright fluorescent.  The stair lights were two spotlights shining down on the end of the stair plus small lights on either side of the steps, alternating from one step to the next, but with one on each side of the second step up from the bottom.

I don't remember if anything has been established about the aft cabin lights.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #269 on: May 19, 2014, 11:32:34 PM »
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Did Cooper keep the lights off in the cabin?

I don't remember what, if anything, Ckret may have said.  But there is some evidence in the "Harrison" papers and one bit in the comm transcripts.  At the same time as the "oscillation" report, someone at SEATAC noted that the forward cabin lights were on.  Then, at 0559Z, there was a notation that apparently 305 had confirmed that one of the aft entry lights was on and the airstair lights were on.  This was reported again at 0641Z.  Then, when the plane landed at Reno, the tower said stair lights were on.

The aft entry lights were selectable.  Either a dim incandescent or a bright fluorescent.  The stair lights were two spotlights shining down on the end of the stair plus small lights on either side of the steps, alternating from one step to the next, but with one on each side of the second step up from the bottom.

I don't remember if anything has been established about the aft cabin lights.


Looking out from the stairs shouldn't have any affect with lighting, but inside you would think a glare issue would occur? it seems to bring it back to wanting to jump earlier than later? McCoy covered every angle except his mouth, and leaving a note behind...
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