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georger · « **Reply #2355 on:** July 30, 2019, 12:31:10 AM »

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I fail to see a connection by telling a witness where people are from in reference to photo's of possible suspects. would it matter if Cooper lived in Brazil? they want identification. not location....

The issue is did Mitchel say this or not?

I could be wrong but I don't recall it. we have what he said at WSHS. I can ask Colbert or watch the show again. where is the information coming from with the 2011 conference. was there even one that year?

If I posted about Mitchell in 2014, I tend to believe it was fresh info I was trying to connect the dots to.

Shutter · « **Reply #2356 on:** July 30, 2019, 12:31:37 AM »

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I fail to see a connection by telling a witness where people are from in reference to photo's of possible suspects. would it matter if Cooper lived in Brazil? they want identification. not location....

I get your point and I agree it doesnt matter where he lived, so maybe the fbi told him matter of factly or he found out some way.

I haven't seen anything to validate this to date...

georger · « **Reply #2357 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:15:41 AM »

I found the Bruce Smith 2014 interview with Bill Mitchell. Mitchell says he had a long and 'highly conversant' relationship with FBI agents, lots of give and take for months, so its completely plausible agents may have told Bill something about the nature of photos he was being asked to look at., and there were a ton of photos they brought to him to evaluate over a period of a year!

Not one word about 'Eugene suspects' in this interview that I could find, but the interview is a 'very' good read.

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Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #2358 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:59:54 AM »

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Where is everyone getting that the majority of photos he was shown was eugene residents then? Georger said it, I remember bruce also reporting this when bill was at the cooper symposium in 11 and it's in my notes from an interview he had with colberts CCT.

Whoa, Nicky, I have to correct your statements.

1. I have never written or said that Bill Mitchell was shown hundreds of pix of Eugene residents. Bill never told me that. He simply said that he was shown hundreds, if not thousands of pix of suspects in the nearly two years that agents came to his dorm room on a regular basis.

2. Bill Mitchell was not at the 2011 Symposium, and I have never reported that he was. In fact, Bill is quite resistant to talking to most people. He does not speak to me, but he does with Colbert. Perhaps money is involved.

Congratulations on talking with a CCT member. When I tried that, one threatened to arrest me, and another threatened a law suit. I invited them to try, but I never heard back.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #2359 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:01:12 AM »

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I researched this case extensively. no records were ever found of either brother working for Boeing. she had two different stories on where LD jumped. I found his birth date was different from his age at death. shows him and his brother born two months apart. I have all the files on Marla. plenty of error's.

A PIO from Boeing did confirm to me that Dewey did work at Boeing in Renton in the 1960s. When I pushed her for more information, like what kind of job and for how long, she clammed up, then hung up the phone.

georger · « **Reply #2360 on:** July 30, 2019, 03:16:40 AM »

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Where is everyone getting that the majority of photos he was shown was eugene residents then? Georger said it, I remember bruce also reporting this when bill was at the cooper symposium in 11 and it's in my notes from an interview he had with colberts CCT.

Whoa, Nicky, I have to correct your statements.

1. I have never written or said that Bill Mitchell was shown hundreds of pix of Eugene residents. Bill never told me that. He simply said that he was shown hundreds, if not thousands of pix of suspects in the nearly two years that agents came to his dorm room on a regular basis.

2. Bill Mitchell was not at the 2011 Symposium, and I have never reported that he was. In fact, Bill is quite resistant to talking to most people. He does not speak to me, but he does with Colbert. Perhaps money is involved.

Congratulations on talking with a CCT member. When I tried that, one threatened to arrest me, and another threatened a law suit. I invited them to try, but I never heard back.

Where would the Eugene pics claim have come from (in 2014?) that it was on DZ and I picked up on it and posted about it there? It is not original with me.

You cant search DZ like we used to.

georger · « **Reply #2361 on:** July 30, 2019, 04:57:13 AM »

I have pulled out and re-read my 2010 interviews with Ammerman, and Matheson is correct: the flare incident did happen on Nov 23rd 1971, the day before the hijacking - not a week before as I previously reported. My confusion is because here were actually two events in question: one a week before and the flare incident on Nov 23rd. I simply got the event dates mixed up. But, Cliff says: 'the controller advised me that the FAA was aware of the incident and was looking for the plane involved, but nothing definite had surfaced yet.'

On another note, Cliff stresses throughout these interviews how very important it was that 305 be kept within V23 (and as close to the center line as possible), precisely because of the chase plane intercepts and trailing that Cliff says began at the Toledo intersection, which he had to personally manage. He says things got hectic when he had to bring the T33 in, in addition to the F-106s covering with their narrow radar cones, crossing on the west side of PDX ...

Cliff says 'Seattle Center was one of 22-26 large air control centers at the time in the US. Seattle Center was in a building below the tower at SEA-TAC.'

Shutter · « **Reply #2362 on:** July 30, 2019, 06:45:29 AM »

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Cliff says 'Seattle Center was one of 22-26 large air control centers at the time in the US. Seattle Center was in a building below the tower at SEA-TAC.'

According to websites this was during the 50's and a new location was built in 1962 where the Seattle center is today. I don't know enough to confirm these dates though. the information comes from there site..

TRACON controllers might of been there. that's the approach guys. (terminal radar approach control)

The original Seattle Air Route Traffic Control Center was located at the Boeing Field
Administration Building in 1940 and control instructions were relayed to pilots via company phone
lines. In 1950, Seattle ARTCC moved to the Seattle Tacoma Airport (SeaTac) Administration
Building, where the first radio was commissioned in the facility allowing direct controller to pilot
communications. In 1962 the ARTCC moved from SeaTac to its current location in Auburn,
Washington. The new, larger building allowed for further expansion and new equipment.

Shutter · « **Reply #2363 on:** July 30, 2019, 06:53:44 AM »

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I researched this case extensively. no records were ever found of either brother working for Boeing. she had two different stories on where LD jumped. I found his birth date was different from his age at death. shows him and his brother born two months apart. I have all the files on Marla. plenty of error's.

A PIO from Boeing did confirm to me that Dewey did work at Boeing in Renton in the 1960s. When I pushed her for more information, like what kind of job and for how long, she clammed up, then hung up the phone.

Not much of a confirmation IMO...

Shutter · « **Reply #2364 on:** July 30, 2019, 07:30:54 AM »

Sounds like the photo's or suspects from Eugene myth is busted...as mentioned before. the location of the suspect should mean nothing to a witness. it's not a menu. the point is to connect the face to the suspect. this would come in handy for a local crime. then they would show photo's of people from that area. If they focused on a specific area then they might look for suspects. but how would they look for a hijacker in any area without something solid to go on like Boeing.

I don't know how many airports were around the Eugene area. it shouldn't of been to hard to pinpoint the aircraft in the area. how many small aircraft could of been flying at night. 5-10-20?

Shutter · « **Reply #2365 on:** July 30, 2019, 08:34:18 AM »

Airports/airfield Eugene area

Jasper Ridge
Crow-Mag
Eugene
Hobby Field
Walker Airstrip
Daniels Field
Cottage Grove State Airport
Oakridge
Heavens Gate
Flying D Ranch
Roseburg
Florence Municipal

The plane would obviously be attached to the event. it appears Cottage Grove has no tower so it might be the reason he called Eugene to report an incident over Cottage Grove. the lack of multiple reports are troubling. both events have only single witnesses even though two people together were in a one spot. did the military drop flares to see the ground. light up the area? was that a pilot chute or a flare chute Tosaw found?

nickyb233 · « **Reply #2366 on:** July 30, 2019, 01:13:05 PM »

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I found the Bruce Smith 2014 interview with Bill Mitchell. Mitchell says he had a long and 'highly conversant' relationship with FBI agents, lots of give and take for months, so its completely plausible agents may have told Bill something about the nature of photos he was being asked to look at., and there were a ton of photos they brought to him to evaluate over a period of a year!

Not one word about 'Eugene suspects' in this interview that I could find, but the interview is a 'very' good read.

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I stand corrected then for some reason I thought I remember reading a report by you from bill at the symposium maybe because you did a lot of reporting on bill not sure why that came to mind. So much info to keep track of. I guess it was just Georgers comment and the notes I have from an interview with one of Colberts guys.

georger · « **Reply #2367 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:26:59 PM »

On another note, Cliff stresses throughout these interviews how very important it was that 305 be kept within V23 (and as close to the center line as possible), precisely because of the chase plane intercepts and trailing that Cliff says began at the Toledo intersection, which he had to personally manage. He says things got hectic when he had to bring the T33 in, in addition to the F-106s covering with their narrow radar cones, crossing on the west side of PDX ...

Cliff is saying he and 305 were in a 'close working relationship'. And keeping 305 as close to the center line of V23 as possible was important - in order to facilitate the F106s intercept with 305 starting at Toledo. If 305 had strayed from V23 starting at Toledo, he (Cliff) would have known that and had to inform the F106's accordingly. Cliff says 305 did not start a 'straight line' path on its own starting at Toledo to Canby but was ordered to stay on V23 and never strayed from that instruction.

Robert99 · « **Reply #2368 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:44:06 PM »

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On another note, Cliff stresses throughout these interviews how very important it was that 305 be kept within V23 (and as close to the center line as possible), precisely because of the chase plane intercepts and trailing that Cliff says began at the Toledo intersection, which he had to personally manage. He says things got hectic when he had to bring the T33 in, in addition to the F-106s covering with their narrow radar cones, crossing on the west side of PDX ...

Let me add some information that Georger passed to me about 10 years ago. He said that he had talked to a number of people who ran the airports on the east side of Portland and not a single one of them indicated that the airliner passed on the east side. All of them indicated that it bypassed Portland on the west side.

In addition to the information from Georger, I have never seen any credible information from other sources that disagreed with the airliner bypassing Portland on the west side. And there are a number of actual facts, not opinions, that strongly support the west side bypass.

Shutter · « **Reply #2369 on:** July 30, 2019, 02:52:23 PM »

Also, while this subject surrounds aviation the term he used could mean west of KPDX. on the other side of the coin the path is on the west side of Portland or close to "west of Portland". the plane flew over downtown Portland. then the question of flying over populated area's is questionable since they did it over Seattle and Reno.

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