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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2325 on: July 29, 2019, 07:39:30 PM »
I recall Marla saying sisters Oregon which is very close to Eugene. if the FBI did there homework it would show she was not being truthful. the house her grandmother had was an old mining shack. no rooms or bedrooms could fit in the space. it was just an open shed for camping or sleeping. it was converted into a home. something else other than Eugene sparked the interest. I'm wondering if Flo thought he could be Cooper since he's the only one who looks like her updated photo.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2326 on: July 29, 2019, 07:52:18 PM »
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where is that statement from. I recall a similar statement from Mitchell but don't recall the FBI telling him where the suspects were from. what would that matter to him. he had no idea where Cooper was from..

It's straight from the horses mouth shutt...he said it at the cooper synopsis and he told the same thing to colberts cct team. It didn't matter to him, it was just something he remembered. The FBI told him beforehand, we are going to be showing you pictures of poeople from the eugene oregon area, let us know if you recognize anyboy.
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« Reply #2327 on: July 29, 2019, 07:59:20 PM »
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I recall Marla saying sisters Oregon which is very close to Eugene. if the FBI did there homework it would show she was not being truthful. the house her grandmother had was an old mining shack. no rooms or bedrooms could fit in the space. it was just an open shed for camping or sleeping. it was converted into a home. something else other than Eugene sparked the interest. I'm wondering if Flo thought he could be Cooper since he's the only one who looks like her updated photo.

LD was a surveyor and Dewy worked at Boeing, that coupled with the connection to eugene checked  2 of there key boxes. That's what got them excited.
 

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« Reply #2328 on: July 29, 2019, 08:24:46 PM »
I researched this case extensively. no records were ever found of either brother working for Boeing. she had two different stories on where LD jumped. I found his birth date was different from his age at death. shows him and his brother born two months apart. I have all the files on Marla. plenty of error's.
 

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« Reply #2329 on: July 29, 2019, 08:36:00 PM »
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For the next two years, agents constantly came to visit Mitchell at Oregon State University with “hundreds” of suspect photos of exlusively people from the eugene oregon area.

Where is this from?
 

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« Reply #2330 on: July 29, 2019, 09:06:54 PM »
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For the next two years, agents constantly came to visit Mitchell at Oregon State University with “hundreds” of suspect photos of exlusively people from the eugene oregon area.

Where is this from?

It was in my notes from an Interview Bill Mitchell did with a member of colberts CCT.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2331 on: July 29, 2019, 09:30:18 PM »
Here is goergers post on the matter from 2014. The FBI were fully aware of the report no need to interview T2.

During the recent WSHM events, Bill Mitchell remarked that of the suspect photos he was shown
post 11-24, a large number were from the Eugene area. This may relate to the 'Eugene Incident'
which happened in Eugene airspace the weekend before 11-24, as related to me by controllers
and others involved in the Cooper case.

During the evening of Nov 20th, 1971, the weekend before the Cooper hijacking at Portland, the
control tower and local law enforcement at Eugene began to get calls about someone dropping
flares from a small airplane, then flying in patterns indicative of tracking the flare's drift and
descent. Attempts to communicate with or track and identify the aircraft failed. Approximately 90
minutes later an unidentified small aircraft appeared on Eugene radar again, and more reports of
the flare dropping activity began to come in, to the Eugene airport and to local law enforcement,
in a different area outside Eugene. Officials directly involved that night say that an FAA report was
filed, and the FBI notified.

This incident gained further attention the night of the Cooper hijacking, and was openly discussed
by ATC and FBI officials after #305  had safely passed through Portland - Eugene airspace and the
investigation began to take form and commence. Mucklow had described the bomb as consisting
of red sticks ... and Himmelsbach believed 'red sticks' indicated road flares, not actual dynamite.
Those recalling the flare dropping at Eugene just a few days earlier, wondered if there could be a connection ?

Then the Janet report at Vancouver surfaced! Janet contacted the FBI in the days following the
Cooper hijacking, with another 'flare/fire' dropping report. Janet claims that FBI agents visited her
home and asked her to 'keep quiet' about her report, except that at least two others surfaced at
Vancouver with similar 'fire' (dropping) reports, almost immediately after the hijacking. (Janet
and/or her husband may be the origin of all of the reports made at Vancouver - this has never
been clarified).

So, when Bill Mitchell says he was shown a large number of photos of 'suspects' from the Eugene
area (and was told these suspects were from the Eugene area), the Eugene flare dropping
incident may be the 'link' the FBI was trying to explore, in the hope of finding Mr. Cooper.

Perhaps Cooper was practicing for the hijacking in the Eugene area prior to the hijacking, or he
knew someone and was in league with someone who had a light plane in the Eugene area, ...
but of the suspects Bill Mitchell was shown it would be interesting to see how their genetic
profiles compare with the 'partial' the FBI apparently has.

Geoff Gray says nothing about the Eugene incident in his book. Apparently he didn't run across
the files? Himmelsbach doesn't mention the incident in his book either.

Maybe the Eugene incident and the Cooper hijacking are not related at all.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2332 on: July 29, 2019, 09:59:10 PM »
I recall him saying they kept coming with photo's but don't recall him stating they were from Eugene. this could be considered leading a witness. even though he didn't have a clue where Cooper was from. interesting they had so many from such a small area. population was under 100 grand in 1970. it's close to 200 grand now. they usually just tell you they want you to look at some photo's. might of been different in those days. it would be hard for them to use the "six pack" giving him so many photo's to look at in a short time.

The Janet story is a hard one. nobody from KPDX seen anything. nothing from the chase planes either that we know of...
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« Reply #2333 on: July 29, 2019, 10:03:35 PM »
Bill Mitchell's interview for the WSHM, which was conducted by phone on October 3, 2013, did not reference suspects from Eugene. Rather, Bill stated that the FBI would travel to Eugene--where Bill was a U of O student--about one to two times per week with about 10 suspect pics per visit. Bill said this went on for about 1 1/2 years.
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« Reply #2334 on: July 29, 2019, 10:15:49 PM »
Thanks, EU. how would they find so many suspects in such a confined area. home of the skydivers, or pilots and bad guys?
 

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« Reply #2335 on: July 29, 2019, 10:28:02 PM »
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Bill Mitchell's interview for the WSHM, which was conducted by phone on October 3, 2013, did not reference suspects from Eugene. Rather, Bill stated that the FBI would travel to Eugene--where Bill was a U of O student--about one to two times per week with about 10 suspect pics per visit. Bill said this went on for about 1 1/2 years.

Where is this WSHM interview I've been looking for it for a while?
 

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« Reply #2336 on: July 29, 2019, 10:31:37 PM »
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Bill Mitchell's interview for the WSHM, which was conducted by phone on October 3, 2013, did not reference suspects from Eugene. Rather, Bill stated that the FBI would travel to Eugene--where Bill was a U of O student--about one to two times per week with about 10 suspect pics per visit. Bill said this went on for about 1 1/2 years.

Where is this WSHM interview I've been looking for it for a while?

I have it somewhere...trying to locate it..
 

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« Reply #2337 on: July 29, 2019, 10:36:14 PM »
Where is everyone getting that the majority of photos he was shown was eugene residents then? Georger said it, I remember bruce also reporting this when bill was at the cooper symposium in 11 and it's in my notes from an interview he had with colberts CCT.
 

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« Reply #2338 on: July 29, 2019, 10:37:16 PM »
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Bill Mitchell's interview for the WSHM, which was conducted by phone on October 3, 2013, did not reference suspects from Eugene. Rather, Bill stated that the FBI would travel to Eugene--where Bill was a U of O student--about one to two times per week with about 10 suspect pics per visit. Bill said this went on for about 1 1/2 years.


Where is this WSHM interview I've been looking for it for a while?

I have it somewhere...trying to locate it..

Thanks shutt!
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2339 on: July 29, 2019, 10:49:10 PM »
I found it. I will upload it to the vault....here is the section about the photo's...