It doesn't matter because you spoke with Ammerman after she interviewed him. her reference no longer matters since others have spoke with him after her contact.

Am coming late to this, but wouldn't this all be entirely irrelevant? I'm putting all my eggs in with the experienced pilot POV on this, and isn't it pretty much a consensus that on the night in question, from the height in question, flares to spot a jump would have been completely useless anyway? I'm not a jumper, so by all means correct me if I'm wrong.

If it were still 1971, I'd be looking into sporting goods and farming supply stores in the Portland region, as farmers would be the most likely to use dynamite on a civilian basis, and flares would be more commonly employed by outdoor sports types. I'm not convinced Cooper's dynamite was really dynamite going by colour descriptions, but at the same time, that doesn't mean he had any secondary use for the flares beyond making his bomb look real.

As for me. I simply posted something interesting that turned into a nightmare. I was accused of working with Flyjack and the author in the background? then got my head bit off for trying to get answers from the author.....

If you will excuse me. I have some new rocks to invent. 

Somehow I was focused on "nestled in his bag" . okay, this part was wrong that I stated. is she stating the dynamite was in a bag inside the briefcase?

Page 112 states this occurred on November 27, and the plane departed at 4:35 pm. transcripts show around 3:00 pm. 4:35 would only allow 25 minutes to meet Cooper's demands.

Page 114 has the plane in the air at 7:44.

Page 115 states cooper jumped at 8:10....20 minutes after takeoff. she goes on to explain two separate bumps and two separate trims. she questions these events to possibly being the airflow causing the bumps.

Page 115 starts discussing Ammerman and November 27 is brought up again. Ammerman starts his recollection with an event he states occurred on November 23, 1971. at the bottom of page 115 she states this occurred in a phone interview followed by a letter dated February 6, 2004. she once again writes that Ammerman was on duty November 27th.

Important factors:
The book appears to have been in the making years before publication. her work surrounding Ammerman dates back to 2004 and the book was released in 2010. anyone speaking with Ammerman later than 2004 is irrelevant as it hasn't occurred yet. she might be right that she was the first to speak with him.

Lots of basic errors of fact. She also calls Victor23 "Vector23". That's an interesting mistake for someone with an aviation background. In fact her sole reference in the book to the flight path is her single reference to "Vector 23". Again it is strange she would make a basic mistake like this. (She must not have taken R99's avionics class!  )  She says her interview of Ammerman followed meeting someone at an air museum where she worked, who thought she might benefit from talking to one of the people actually involved in the Cooper hijacking. She cites having read Gunther's book.

Unless someone else was aware of the Matheson book, FLYJACK is the first to ever post about it. His motives for quoting her book at DZ are clear. He says: "Putting together all the pieces, there is no way there was an alternate western flight path. The western flight path theory is DEAD and should be relegated to the Vortex dust bin." In a related post he tells Ulis in effect: 'its over for you'. "The chase planes were co-ordinated by Seattle Center. They were in contact with the chase pilots. Seattle Center must have known the 305 flight path to do this. The dashes in the transcript may be the deleted ARTCC comms with chase planes.:, FLYJACK says. 

I have made it clear since I first asked Ammerman for an interview, that my primary interest was 'anything he could give that would prove the flight of 305 - in the midst of speculations and claims about an East Path, West Path, etc.'. This is how I originally reported it to R99. This is how I framed my interest to Ammerman. Ammerman stated that he had heard about various attempts to redefine the Flight 305 flight path, but as far as he was concerned ' 305 flew almost right down the center of V23 the whole way to Portland'. And without checking my notes I recall I asked and he also said: 'and the plane was on auto pilot the whole time right up to when they approached Portland'. And I followed that up by asking: 'and which side of Portland did they cross on?' and I remember Cliff laughing and he said,
'I don't know. I wasn't looking at my screen when they crossed the Columbia. I was not looking at my screen but involved in communications and I had to stand up to switch radios. By the time I looked back at my screen they had already crossed the Columbia, ON THE WEST SIDE OF PORTLAND!' I believe I reported all of this almost verbatim to R99 the same evening.

If my interview with Cliff is valid there is more flight path detail in my account, than there is in Matheson's account. This simply reflects a difference in our backgrounds, interests, and goals at the time each of us interviewed Cliff.

But, and this is important. Cliff's account to me about him getting up to talk to military aircraft and having to stand up to do this with his radio gear, and not being able to see his radar screen during that process, is IDENTICAL to the same account Matheson describes in her book!  Matheson's account and my account are the same on that very point, as it relates to the flight path 305 flew (around Portland). The only difference is Matheson does not say this happened precisely as 305 was crossing the Columbia, on the west side of Portland. The difference in our accounts is a difference in goals. Matheson's book is a general synopsis of the Cooper hijacking, with lots of technical mistakes. My goal with Ammerman was to gain a new authoritative understanding of the flight path specifically, since he was thee person in charge of following and directing the aircraft involved.

Matheson focuses rather heavily on the flare incident at Eugene, but again she is not giving detail Ammerman gave me. For one thing she has the date of that event wrong vs what Cliff gave me. Whatever the date of the flare event at Eugene was, there should be paperwork verifying the event and the date, if what Cliff told me is accurate! Cliff told me the event generated filings with the FAA, FBI, Sherrif Dept, as well as other law enforcement and aviation entities. There might even be an FBI 302 mentioning this event. According to Cliff it was not a casual event but an event of some concern at the time. Then one week later the Cooper hijacking occurs. It was only natural that air controllers might think there was some relationship between the two events. And according to passenger Mitchell, he says he was told photos being shown to him were heavily weighted toward photos of suspects in the Eugene area. I have posted all of this before.

In fact, the flare incident only came up during my 'flight path interviews' with Mr. Ammerman because near the end of the second interview Cliff suddenly asked me: 'Do you want to hear about something interesting?'. He laughed and I laughed and I said "yes, what?". If Cliff hadn't brought it up I wouldn't even know about it to this day. When Cliff finished telling his 'flares dropped at Eugene' story, I asked: "Have you heard about the Janet story at Vancouver?" He didn't know anything about that, so I told him that story. At the end of that long interview we realised we had been talking a long time, so we agreed to talk again and exchange email addresses in the meantime.       

As I mentioned. all I did was post a page from a book that turned into a nightmare. why the need to drag the author through the mud. does she have an aviation background or is it a requirement? working at a museum wouldn't really qualify, would it?

I posted a comment from Snowmman in 2018. why are you claiming Flyjack was the only one?

Are we discounting the book all together. I don't follow what you are trying to do. it appears she went by what was said to her. I don't know. perhaps you should contact her. I don't think her intentions were the same as yours with finding answers. it's just another book surrounding the hijacking. actually, it's a book with a dozen different stories. not just Cooper. she never responded back to me. I just found it interesting. regardless to who posted it.

Let me go back and search for your comment about Snowmman, whatever he has to do with this.

edit> cant find it.

Lets do this. I will back off. We seem to have cross-conversations going on here. The topic is yours. That way I cant get in trouble. 

You can remove my last post if it suits you, or if it offends in any manner!

I think I will call Meyer up and see what he is doing today!  Hell! I may even pet my cat or take a walk!! If it doesn;t offend anyone!   

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It doesn't matter because you spoke with Ammerman after she interviewed him. her reference no longer matters since others have spoke with him after her contact.

Am coming late to this, but wouldn't this all be entirely irrelevant? I'm putting all my eggs in with the experienced pilot POV on this, and isn't it pretty much a consensus that on the night in question, from the height in question, flares to spot a jump would have been completely useless anyway? I'm not a jumper, so by all means correct me if I'm wrong.

If it were still 1971, I'd be looking into sporting goods and farming supply stores in the Portland region, as farmers would be the most likely to use dynamite on a civilian basis, and flares would be more commonly employed by outdoor sports types. I'm not convinced Cooper's dynamite was really dynamite going by colour descriptions, but at the same time, that doesn't mean he had any secondary use for the flares beyond making his bomb look real.

The FBI talked to many jumpers, I'm sure they asked about the use of flares. They put a lot of weight into it and brothers from the uegene oregon area being involved. That is why they showed bill mitchell all those photo of uegene suspects and they initially jumped on the marla cooper lead (LD and Dewey were from eugene.) I have also qouted the flights and flyers book as my suspect James Klansnics brother Dick lived in cottage grove at the time which is the very town the flare drops were reported to have happened in.

If the book or Ammerman's statement is correct?

Ammerman also believe it was connected and stated there has never been a report of this kind before or after again.

Ammerman also believe it was connected and stated there has never been a report of this kind before or after again.

He said nothing came of it. if that's true then what does it mean?