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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #210 on: April 06, 2014, 06:33:10 PM »
"Just guessing but I don't think you would even see a flare until it was down at about 5000 feet and below that I have no doubt you would see it, especially if there was a cloud layer reflecting its light from above - it would glow red hot and bright. That's my supposition. And if that cloud above it contained ice crystals to disperse the light around, I am sure you would see it and could follow its course ..."

Sounds plausible. the problem I see know is Janet claiming they were being tossed from the back of the plane, or the stairs I believe it was said. should be a simple enough test. take a flare on a back road and light it up. drive away and see where you start to see it fade. one mile is a little over 5,000.
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« Reply #211 on: April 06, 2014, 06:35:15 PM »
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The story of the flares is very interesting. I can't seem to locate anything in the FAA files. I also had someone look up the incident. I would love to back this up with some sort of documentation. I'm just wondering why the flares would be used. Cooper had to have known he was being followed. if he was an experienced jumper, would he need flares for wind direction, or location?




I'm not offering or hinting at any conclusions, but the only reference or documentation of lights in the sky / flares that I have been able to find, so far, is a record of a meteor shower around the time of November 16, 17.
There was supposed to be quite spectacular "Leonid" meteor showers at a rate of about 170 per hour in November, 1971.

Not saying that they would be mistaken as flares and someone might have been off on their timeline, but it has been documented that meteor showers have been mistaken for UFOs in the past, so there's that. 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #212 on: April 06, 2014, 06:38:38 PM »
Thanks smokin, where was the location of the sighting?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #213 on: April 06, 2014, 06:40:53 PM »
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"Just guessing but I don't think you would even see a flare until it was down at about 5000 feet and below that I have no doubt you would see it, especially if there was a cloud layer reflecting its light from above - it would glow red hot and bright. That's my supposition. And if that cloud above it contained ice crystals to disperse the light around, I am sure you would see it and could follow its course ..."

Sounds plausible. the problem I see know is Janet claiming they were being tossed from the back of the plane, or the stairs I believe it was said. should be a simple enough test. take a flare on a back road and light it up. drive away and see where you start to see it fade. one mile is a little over 5,000.

Farflung showed graphic representations of what one can see from distances once, and it was very helpful, but I would still think that what you can see on the flat horizon might be different than what you can see from above or below. Just an opinion.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #214 on: April 06, 2014, 06:46:16 PM »
was that in daylight, or night time? I think at nite you wouldn't have much to worry about testing that way?
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« Reply #215 on: April 06, 2014, 07:14:55 PM »
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Thanks smokin, where was the location of the sighting?

They didn't mention a location but it was in the Oregonian and Seattle newspapers. I don't think it was post-sighting though - just one of those articles letting people know that it was coming so they could watch. 
I googled some sites on the Leonid meteor showers that mentioned 1971 as being one of the years with a higher rate than normal and looking like fireballs with dust trails.


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« Reply #216 on: April 06, 2014, 07:18:27 PM »
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was that in daylight, or night time? I think at nite you wouldn't have much to worry about testing that way?

I don't remember but seems like I wondered the same thing later so it might have been daylight representations. I will look for the posts he made about it.
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« Reply #217 on: April 06, 2014, 07:24:15 PM »
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was that in daylight, or night time? I think at nite you wouldn't have much to worry about testing that way?

I don't remember but seems like I wondered the same thing later so it might have been daylight representations. I will look for the posts he made about it.

It does seem like this would be a relatively easy thing to reproduce to see whether it's bs or not. Just need a plane and a flare and a spotter......anyone??   :)
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« Reply #218 on: April 06, 2014, 07:43:23 PM »
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was that in daylight, or night time? I think at nite you wouldn't have much to worry about testing that way?

I don't remember but seems like I wondered the same thing later so it might have been daylight representations. I will look for the posts he made about it.

It does seem like this would be a relatively easy thing to reproduce to see whether it's bs or not. Just need a plane and a flare and a spotter......anyone??   :)
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #219 on: April 06, 2014, 07:47:17 PM »
you can just drop the link right onto the post now...
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« Reply #220 on: April 06, 2014, 07:53:42 PM »
Farf is a pisser......I see his point, but looking at a light source shouldn't be different on the ground. now the backdrop is different, and weather etc. I think a general idea could be used with this test? dropping it from a plane would be the ultimate, but who is ready to spark a flare up in a cabin of a small plane lol....
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« Reply #221 on: April 06, 2014, 07:59:53 PM »
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Farf is a pisser......I see his point, but looking at a light source shouldn't be different on the ground. now the backdrop is different, and weather etc. I think a general idea could be used with this test? dropping it from a plane would be the ultimate, but who is ready to spark a flare up in a cabin of a small plane lol....

He also posted this on the next page or two....... don't know that it would matter, but I don't see anything depicted from nighttime.

Hey - anything worth talking about is worth an experiment or two, right. I've often said if we had buried money on the Columbia when the dropzone thread first started we'd have some real data to look at.  ;)  :)

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« Reply #222 on: April 06, 2014, 08:05:29 PM »
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Farf is a pisser......I see his point, but looking at a light source shouldn't be different on the ground. now the backdrop is different, and weather etc. I think a general idea could be used with this test? dropping it from a plane would be the ultimate, but who is ready to spark a flare up in a cabin of a small plane lol....

He also posted this on the next page or two.......

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I remember that post. 10,000 is a long way up. then you have some sort of weather nobody agree's on lol
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« Reply #223 on: April 06, 2014, 08:12:29 PM »
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Farf is a pisser......I see his point, but looking at a light source shouldn't be different on the ground. now the backdrop is different, and weather etc. I think a general idea could be used with this test? dropping it from a plane would be the ultimate, but who is ready to spark a flare up in a cabin of a small plane lol....

He also posted this on the next page or two.......

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I remember that post. 10,000 is a long way up. then you have some sort of weather nobody agree's on lol

Hey - anything worth talking about is worth an experiment or two, right. I've often said if we had buried money on the Columbia when the dropzone thread first started we'd have some real data to look at. In that spirit, I'd still like to see a nighttime flare experiment -- just for grins...... ;)  :)
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« Reply #224 on: April 06, 2014, 08:19:03 PM »
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Farf is a pisser......I see his point, but looking at a light source shouldn't be different on the ground. now the backdrop is different, and weather etc. I think a general idea could be used with this test? dropping it from a plane would be the ultimate, but who is ready to spark a flare up in a cabin of a small plane lol....

He also posted this on the next page or two.......

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I remember that post. 10,000 is a long way up. then you have some sort of weather nobody agree's on lol

Hey - anything worth talking about is worth an experiment or two, right. I've often said if we had buried money on the Columbia when the dropzone thread first started we'd have some real data to look at. In that spirit, I'd still like to see a nighttime flare experiment -- just for grins...... ;)  :)


Yes, it would have been long enough for real data. I got a camera. I got the area. I don't have any flares. I'll see where they can be bought.  8)
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