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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2040 on: April 29, 2019, 07:16:32 PM »
Flyjack believes the door came off with the placard. it's possible the jet wash ripped it apart when it left the plane. the card has been damaged. no question about it. this could explain the damage.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2041 on: April 29, 2019, 07:20:05 PM »
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I thought the size or shape didn't matter? tears, cuts...all good? you are estimating again. we don't know how thin the card was. it's been described as a decal in some cases. the leaflets would match the description of the card..

This is absolutely false.

Reply number 1995 in this thread, "The fundamentals are the weight, area, altitude, and atmospheric conditions."
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« Reply #2042 on: April 29, 2019, 07:21:11 PM »
The door was made out of plastic. I'm not sure of the configuration NWO had with the emergency release. they were different in other 727's according to Hominid.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2043 on: April 29, 2019, 07:24:43 PM »
The placard being attached to the door makes absolute sense. It explains how it left the jet. Moreover, the moment of most resistance is going to be when the placard and door hit the jet stream meaning it was likely torn off at that moment. This means the door itself is probably 3 or 4 miles to the southwest of the placard find.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2044 on: April 29, 2019, 07:24:48 PM »
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I thought the size or shape didn't matter? tears, cuts...all good? you are estimating again. we don't know how thin the card was. it's been described as a decal in some cases. the leaflets would match the description of the card..

This is absolutely false.

Reply number 1995 in this thread, "The fundamentals are the weight, area, altitude, and atmospheric conditions."


Was any analysis was done on the damaged piece. it's not the original size and it has a streamer effect while dropping with the piece torn at the bottom middle up into the center of the card. the lighter side of the split will not stay equal with the other side. I've already seen this. it drops differently than a square does.
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« Reply #2045 on: April 29, 2019, 07:27:05 PM »
I will be looking for someone who will not be part of the debate and has knowledge of this type of work.
 

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« Reply #2046 on: April 29, 2019, 07:28:05 PM »
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I thought the size or shape didn't matter? tears, cuts...all good? you are estimating again. we don't know how thin the card was. it's been described as a decal in some cases. the leaflets would match the description of the card..

This is absolutely false.

Reply number 1995 in this thread, "The fundamentals are the weight, area, altitude, and atmospheric conditions."


Was any analysis was done on the damaged piece. it's not the original size and it has a streamer effect while dropping with the piece torn at the bottom middle up into the center of the card. the lighter side of the split will not stay equal with the other side. I've already seen this. it drops differently than a square does.

I get that. I'll that I have to prove is that in a 31 knot wind from the southwest the placard is going to drift quite a distance during its nearly 2 mile journey to earth. That alone proves the FBI Flight Path at that point is off by several miles.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2047 on: April 29, 2019, 07:29:16 PM »
31 knots for how long?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #2048 on: April 29, 2019, 07:30:20 PM »
Again, I have an inherent advantage in this debate because I do not have to prove my flight path is correct. I merely have to prove that the FBI Flight Path is wrong.
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« Reply #2049 on: April 29, 2019, 07:30:32 PM »
I noticed the card didn't like heavy winds?
 

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« Reply #2050 on: April 29, 2019, 07:32:18 PM »
You have not proven anything. these are only estimates without any real testing..all calculations. by the looks of things. it's possible the calculations are wrong. that's why we check things.
 

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« Reply #2051 on: April 29, 2019, 07:32:31 PM »
Obviously the best way to test this is to bring a torn piece of plastic up to 10K feet during a windy and moist evening and let it drop.
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« Reply #2052 on: April 29, 2019, 07:41:02 PM »
It doesn't have to be from that height. that I know. the bottom line is. someone who is knowledgeable about this needs to get involved. someone from the outside. no bias. someone that knows "you can't do this or you can't do that" that's what really needs to be done.

Figures from a 40 lb plate are acceptable but leaflet calculations mean nothing? I see a bit of a problem...

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« Reply #2053 on: April 29, 2019, 07:44:58 PM »
I don't know the results yet, if any. I filed a records report with Cowlitz county today. I'm asking for any documentation and photo's surrounding the placard find. none of the people I talked to today knew who Cooper was like the woman I spoke with yesterday, or Saturday. lost track.
 

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« Reply #2054 on: April 29, 2019, 07:56:19 PM »
The document Fly posted discusses auto rotation as one descent and flip-flop spiral etc. the two different ways I showed in my testing. then you will have sliding and rocking. it varies. you keep saying "it tumbled" end of story. that's not how it's done.

all the data is there for auto rotation and non rotation. 5,000 feet descent values. wind data. different size leaflets.


The leaflets have been dropped for years,decades. one would think the data would be more accurate than a test done 18 times?
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