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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #180 on: March 30, 2014, 01:57:00 AM »
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is this what you are talking about with "battle control"

Yes.  Note on the screen that the airborne things being tracked are represented by symbols.  Not just "blips."

I don't recognize the shoreline it shows.
 

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« Reply #181 on: March 30, 2014, 02:41:30 PM »
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is this what you are talking about with "battle control"

Yes.  Note on the screen that the airborne things being tracked are represented by symbols.  Not just "blips."

I don't recognize the shoreline it shows.


yes, it's my understanding that what they see on the screen is what the computer is showing them.....

The first 30 seconds is choppy. I got hit with 3rd party copyright. they attempted to remove the music. didn't work very well. it will clear up after 30 seconds.



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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #182 on: March 30, 2014, 04:53:04 PM »
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yes, it's my understanding that what they see on the screen is what the computer is showing them.....

The first 30 seconds is choppy. I got hit with 3rd party copyright. they attempted to remove the music. didn't work very well. it will clear up after 30 seconds.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #183 on: March 31, 2014, 12:36:00 PM »
This is a video I made from an NPR interview with Geoffrey Gray. this could go into the flight path, as well as suspects. he describes the flight path being 15 miles wide?. he also tosses the thought out about KC being Cooper. one lone man desperately continues to push KC to the "public" because he can not be taken seriously with Cooper Sleuths and his conclusions. most are proven to be false due to improper, or sloppy work. "Rookie" written all over the investigation. (not speaking of Gray)

ENJOY....

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #184 on: April 01, 2014, 04:50:53 PM »
For anyone interested in getting the topo map used to make the copy on which the searchzone data was plotted, here's a website that has it.   Just select "Washington" and type in "La Center."  The file is a zipped "geo" pdf.  It's a 15' map.

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #185 on: April 01, 2014, 05:07:21 PM »
Thanks Bruce. I'll toss the link in the vault for future use.....

sorry, I mean Hominid. how did I mix that up????? anyway, I posted the link. 8)
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« Reply #186 on: April 03, 2014, 12:32:52 AM »
Can anyone figure out how Gray came to the conclusion of the flight path being 15 miles wide? did he read this in the files. isn't a Vector 4 miles wide, with 2 miles on each side? he also gives a range up to 8:17 on the jump. plenty of water in this area.
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« Reply #187 on: April 03, 2014, 12:59:42 AM »
In 1971, a Victor airway extended 5 statute miles on each side of the airway centerline.  Today, a Victor airway extends 4 nautical miles (4.6 statute miles) on each side of the airway centerline.  The overall controlled airspace has changed dramatically from 1971 both horizontally and vertically.
 

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« Reply #188 on: April 03, 2014, 02:50:29 AM »
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Can anyone figure out how Gray came to the conclusion of the flight path being 15 miles wide? did he read this in the files. isn't a Vector 4 miles wide, with 2 miles on each side? he also gives a range up to 8:17 on the jump. plenty of water in this area.

I can. He got it wrong. He got other technical info wrong. Geoff just doesn't have a technical background and he freely admits that. I kind of admire him for letting it all hang out .... including the bloopers.  He would freely admit he got technical info wrong if it was explained to him. Unfortunately it does weaken his book.  :)
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« Reply #189 on: April 03, 2014, 07:14:21 AM »
Georger is correct on this matter.   Flight path re-engages with I-5 corridor (V-23) prior to crossing the Columbia. (Anderson).  Witnesses actually saw 305 cross over downtown Vancouver (Tosaw, Cook, Georger's grandmother, others).   Cooper probably jumped just south of Battleground (Carr).   We were probably looking in the wrong area in 1971 (Himmelsbach).   Winds from 166, near my fudge factor (Bohan).   Saw a red object falling from an aircraft near Vancouver (Janet).  It makes sense that Cooper landed somewhere near where the money was found (Tosaw).   An examination of alignment for witness accounts, discovery of evidence, comprehensive weather data, and pilot's statements are probably going to establish the most likely dropzone.  (Cook).
 

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« Reply #190 on: April 03, 2014, 06:14:46 PM »
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Georger is correct on this matter.   Flight path re-engages with I-5 corridor (V-23) prior to crossing the Columbia. (Anderson).  Witnesses actually saw 305 cross over downtown Vancouver (Tosaw, Cook, Georger's grandmother, others).   Cooper probably jumped just south of Battleground (Carr).   We were probably looking in the wrong area in 1971 (Himmelsbach).   Winds from 166, near my fudge factor (Bohan).   Saw a red object falling from an aircraft near Vancouver (Janet).  It makes sense that Cooper landed somewhere near where the money was found (Tosaw).   An examination of alignment for witness accounts, discovery of evidence, comprehensive weather data, and pilot's statements are probably going to establish the most likely dropzone.  (Cook).


what was considered downtown Vancouver in 1971. we have so many variations with the flight path. Janet lives further east, she also states the plane flew right over her location. we know Cooper had the money at 8:05. where did this rest gooooooo.
 

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« Reply #191 on: April 04, 2014, 08:10:08 AM »
Janet never stated that the plane flew directly over her location.  And it didn't.  She saw it from her location, which was about five miles east of I-5.  Plane flew over north edge of downtown Vancouver, about at Mill Plain Rd.  Georger's grandmother lived near this area too and she knew something.  But the good stuff is buried in the Tosaw files, which Richard left behind.
 

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« Reply #192 on: April 04, 2014, 01:58:16 PM »
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Janet never stated that the plane flew directly over her location.  And it didn't.  She saw it from her location, which was about five miles east of I-5.  Plane flew over north edge of downtown Vancouver, about at Mill Plain Rd.  Georger's grandmother lived near this area too and she knew something.  But the good stuff is buried in the Tosaw files, which Richard left behind.

Have meetings today but will come back and post Emma and Vern's story which parallels Janet's.
Emma went public, with family and friends, and put her's into writing.
 
 

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« Reply #193 on: April 05, 2014, 10:32:01 PM »
Good on ya, Georger.  I located your grandmom's old Vancouver address and her story corresponds to other witness accounts, inclusive of Janet's.  As you know, I triangulated the witness's accounts and they all added up to the inevitable (at least for myself and Tosaw) the plane took a corrective southerly course from the NE and ended up flying right over downtown Van.  This seems to comport with Andy's version too. The red flame, which your grandmom addresses from her account, seems to be independently confirmed by other sources.  Cooper used the lights of Van/PDX, and the dark outline of the Columbia, as reference points for departure. 
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #194 on: April 05, 2014, 10:57:01 PM »
Thank God!  Now we can all stop worrying ourselves about the flightpath.