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And I still cant place "and the lights of Vancouver were coming up" into this chain of events.

I only read about it on forums and threads. possibly a myth. they do state "Portland proper" in the 302's.

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And I still cant place "and the lights of Vancouver were coming up" into this chain of events.

I only read about it on forums and threads. possibly a myth. they do state "Portland proper" in the 302's.

Wasn't it Carr who mentioned that he thought Rataczak meant they we're approaching Vancouver as opposed to Portland? That certainly makes sense.

Sounds like another statement taken out of context over time.

I have NEVER heard or read anything CREDIBLE during the time immediately after the Cooper Hyjacking. This brings up the question in my mind as how is this possible ? I have a pretty good idea but nobody here really cares ! To me it seems like way too many are trying to rewrite History rather than actually going back in time to 1971 and try to figure out how he did it. It’s far easier to change the flight plan and make entire story all about Tina Bar ! Funny how until the money was found at Tina Bar, NOBODY was talking about the plane dying over Tina Bar or St. Helens etc. Here we are 47 years later and now suddenly all the information provided in 1971 is erroneous!
Most of the so called experts here have no idea what Portland was like in 1971.

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I have NEVER heard or read anything CREDIBLE during the time immediately after the Cooper Hyjacking. This brings up the question in my mind as how is this possible ? I have a pretty good idea but nobody here really cares ! To me it seems like way too many are trying to rewrite History rather than actually going back in time to 1971 and try to figure out how he did it. It’s far easier to change the flight plan and make entire story all about Tina Bar ! Funny how until the money was found at Tina Bar, NOBODY was talking about the plane dying over Tina Bar or St. Helens etc. Here we are 47 years later and now suddenly all the information provided in 1971 is erroneous!
Most of the so called experts here have no idea what Portland was like in 1971.

Of course "so called experts" are going to factor in new evidence. That would be ridiculous not to consider the only evidence found outside of the jet (placard and money).

I asked R99 to re-analyze his placard free-fall analysis based upon updated data related to wind conditions, placard size and weight. He just informed me of his results. I will let him speak to them on the forum if he so chooses. I will tell you the drift of that placard is a major obstacle that must be explained if you are a proponent of the FBI's flight path (Air Force derived flight path, I get it).

Once again, what actual evidence is there that the FBI flight path is accurate? The answer is zilch. Just some guy who somehow put the thing together. Also, apparently R2, who was in Seattle (or Portland?) and wasn't looking at the radar at the time the jet crossed the Columbia, who was staging a chase place intercept "west" of Portland."

On the other hand, I'll point to the placard, the money, and the "nothing has ever been found along the FBI flight path for over 47 years" fact to support my argument that the FBI flight path is wrong.

By the way, I asked earlier about the jet being on autopilot...am I to understand that it was taking a grand tour of the Amboy, Washougal, Vancouver and downtown Portland scenic route all while flying on autopilot?

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I have NEVER heard or read anything CREDIBLE during the time immediately after the Cooper Hyjacking. This brings up the question in my mind as how is this possible ? I have a pretty good idea but nobody here really cares ! To me it seems like way too many are trying to rewrite History rather than actually going back in time to 1971 and try to figure out how he did it. It’s far easier to change the flight plan and make entire story all about Tina Bar ! Funny how until the money was found at Tina Bar, NOBODY was talking about the plane dying over Tina Bar or St. Helens etc. Here we are 47 years later and now suddenly all the information provided in 1971 is erroneous!
Most of the so called experts here have no idea what Portland was like in 1971.

Of course "so called experts" are going to factor in new evidence. That would be ridiculous not to consider the only evidence found outside of the jet (placard and money).

I asked R99 to re-analyze his placard free-fall analysis based upon updated data related to wind conditions, placard size and weight. He just informed me of his results. I will let him speak to them on the forum if he so chooses. I will tell you the drift of that placard is a major obstacle that must be explained if you are a proponent of the FBI's flight path (Air Force derived flight path, I get it).

Once again, what actual evidence is there that the FBI flight path is accurate? The answer is zilch. Just some guy who somehow put the thing together. Also, apparently R2, who was in Seattle (or Portland?) and wasn't looking at the radar at the time the jet crossed the Columbia, who was staging a chase place intercept "west" of Portland."

On the other hand, I'll point to the placard, the money, and the "nothing has ever been found along the FBI flight path for over 47 years" fact to support my argument that the FBI flight path is wrong.

By the way, I asked earlier about the jet being on autopilot...am I to understand that it was taking a grand tour of the Amboy, Washougal, Vancouver and downtown Portland scenic route all while flying on autopilot?

Let’s hear about all your new evidence ! The placard was there since 1978 ! The weather hasn’t changed on the night of Nov 24, 1971 ! The weather, Wind, precipitation, temperature is widely reported and documented by a number of weather bureaus ! The only thing I know that has changed is so called present day experts trying to alter
Everything 47 years AFTER the facts ! I’ve spent most of my life in Portland area and I’m only aware of 2 incidents involving aircraft incidents in Portland. One was,caused by a pilot making a serious decision which caused his plane to crash in vicinity of 160 th and Burnside in 1978 killing 10. Another incident had a major carrier landing a plane at Troutdale Airport by mistake ! Both incidents 100% pilot error. It’s funny that in all these years the Air Traffic controllers never had any problem knowing where all these planes were until the night of Nov 24, 1971. Now suddenly 47 years after the fact, apparently they were just plain stupid and had no clue where this high jacked plane was ? Our air defense in McCord Airbase had no clue, our pilots were lost , my own Air National Guard Unit at PDX had no clue, Air Traffic Control at PDX had no clue ! However you seem to be able to locate almost exactly where the plane was ! Unbelievable! You also know that the placard traveled like exactly 8 Miles ! Wow ! Sorry but I’m still looking for all your new FACTUAL evidence that wasn’t found 47 years ago ?