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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1575 on: March 30, 2019, 04:52:53 PM »
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The plane meets up with centerline at 8:12...

I'm not debating the time, I'm debating the path.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1576 on: March 30, 2019, 04:53:26 PM »
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The plane meets up with centerline at 8:12...

I'm not debating the time, I'm debating the path.

where is it skewed?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1577 on: March 30, 2019, 04:54:55 PM »
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I have proven that there are discrepancies in the two FBI maps: One equals 2.64 SM

show this?

Point E is 2.64 SM north of the spot north of Point S where the V23 center line comes into play.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1578 on: March 30, 2019, 04:55:27 PM »
what are you trying to claim?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1579 on: March 30, 2019, 05:06:36 PM »
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You don't have facts with the money find without knowing exactly how it got there, the same for the placard. you are basing facts on assumptions and speculation. the river flow has nothing to do with the flight path.

These are all critical.

1) The money arrived on Tena Bar somehow. It either arrived via natural method, or, human intervention. There are no other options short of the Holy One getting involved. In order for the money to have arrived via natural method a whole series or remarkable things have to take place. That said, it had to be deposited upstream from Tena Bar. This is impossible if Cooper jumped at 8:12. Unless, the FBI was very off on the jump time, or, the FBI was very off on the jet location. Otherwise, human intervention is the only other choice.

2) The placard arrived after being blown from the jet at 10K feet up. It fell to earth for several minutes in an atmosphere that was flowing briskly to the northeast. We (me, you, the FBI, everyone) are able to reverse engineer this to determine where the jet was when it flew out the back. That is a perfectly legitimate endeavor to ascertain the jet location at that moment in time.

3) The river flow pertains to the money on Tena Bar. So, yes, that is very important.

Let me be clear on this point. Something doesn't add up. There has to be bad data here somewhere. That is also a fact. All of these data points cannot be accurate.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1580 on: March 30, 2019, 05:07:45 PM »
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what are you trying to claim?

I am simply saying that I believe the FBI flight path is wrong.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1581 on: March 30, 2019, 05:12:11 PM »
It is also important for me to add that this is a quality debate. Both of us have presented data (facts) to support our positions. Therefore, a robust debate, even disagreement, is a positive thing.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1582 on: March 30, 2019, 05:14:05 PM »
I can't stress enough as to speculation/hunch/assumptions, what ever term you use can't equal fact. you are correct. lots of problems but they can't be solved with missing data or facts.

I did 6 tests today from about 35-40 feet. the placard will float away if it tumbles. if it spins it corkscrews pretty much straight down. it appears to have several ways of getting to the ground which only allows one for each path. it would have to float to be the alternate path and basically corkscrew downward to be on the official path. either path can't have it both ways.

have to upload the video...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1583 on: March 30, 2019, 05:20:31 PM »
The FBI has admitted the jump time is probably wrong. the pilots give a time frame down to 8:15. there is no facts here to claim.
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1584 on: March 30, 2019, 05:23:21 PM »
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1585 on: March 30, 2019, 05:32:54 PM »
pretty consistent with both samples...drift and spin test

 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1586 on: March 30, 2019, 05:33:12 PM »
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I like it!   Both vids.  ;) ;)
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1587 on: March 30, 2019, 05:39:14 PM »
The test shows me multiple ways to the ground. this was from a stationary point. the card made it's exit into the jet stream hauling ass. if it went into a spin I don't know the terminal on it but could explain some of the damage when it hit the tree's. I'm sure some of it was Cooper's doing.

similar to a skydiver making a good jump or going into a spin, or tumble.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1588 on: March 30, 2019, 05:42:41 PM »
Thanks, Shut. Good to see palm trees, again. Sigh.
 

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« Reply #1589 on: March 30, 2019, 05:48:46 PM »
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The test shows me multiple ways to the ground. this was from a stationary point. the card made it's exit into the jet stream hauling ass. if it went into a spin I don't know the terminal on it but could explain some of the damage when it hit the tree's. I'm sure some of it was Cooper's doing.

similar to a skydiver making a good jump or going into a spin, or tumble.

Lots of unknowns. In any event, its within the zone of V23.