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Offline georger

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1560 on: March 30, 2019, 03:04:42 PM »
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Below is an image I mocked up displaying my 8:12 Arc Theory tolerances along with the FBI's flight path and 8:12 jump time displayed. (NOTE: I realize the FBI actually works with an 8:11 jump time on their map and builds tolerances around that point).

Also, while it's not obvious on this map, the placard find is .8 miles west--at its closest point--of the FBI flight path.

NO! "(NOTE: I realize the FBI actually works with an 8:11 jump time on their map and builds tolerances around that point)". You dont get what a flight path is and how the socalled FBI path was constructed at the time. All of that technical history is just irrelevant to your purpose and narrative. It is what it is. Please stop trying to rewrite history you know nothing about.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1561 on: March 30, 2019, 03:19:23 PM »
I know Georger, I don't know anything. Yeah, okay.

Well, what I do know is this...

There are two--what appear to be original--FBI maps. They are posted below...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1562 on: March 30, 2019, 03:21:16 PM »
Furthermore, the white map was used as part of the report that describes how the search area was constructed. A color version is on Sluggo's site which I've attached below...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1563 on: March 30, 2019, 03:21:49 PM »
Everyone has this problem. It's basically a blwn up version of the 8:11 location
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1564 on: March 30, 2019, 03:24:05 PM »
Now, the document below (page one) describes the constructing of the search area and the FBI path...
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« Reply #1565 on: March 30, 2019, 03:26:12 PM »
Next, if you read the document you'll notice that point #1 describes the probable flight path as going from C-D-E-S...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1566 on: March 30, 2019, 03:31:58 PM »
Furthermore, you'll notice that the jet turns south at Point E.

Well, the problem is that on the yellow FBI flight path map it shows the jet making the turn at just north of Point S, which is 2.3 NM south of Point E.

Also, on the white map, it shows that the flight continues along this path through Point S. However, on the yellow FBI map, it shows that the jet turns again and follows down center line V23 which are points W3-J-F-W4.

Here's my question: Which one is correct? I thought the maps and the plotting were infallible, yet we have an obvious discrepancy here. Why?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1567 on: March 30, 2019, 03:33:05 PM »
Eric they gave a certain amount East and west. That's how it's done. Today they could be extremely accurate but still give a variable.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1568 on: March 30, 2019, 03:36:59 PM »
This is a difference of 2.64 SM regarding the turn, not to mention the jet not turning down center line V23, rather heading due south through Point S. Like I keep saying, something doesn't add up. There is too much variance (2.64 SM). Why?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1569 on: March 30, 2019, 04:21:22 PM »
Eric, you need to get a grip here..the blown up portion showing the possible jump area is the same plots on the map. slight turns are there just as it shows.

The map is calculations of possible exit locations and time. none of them are "right" it's calculations of possibilities to determine where to look for Cooper on the ground. you need to look at the map without the green lines. it's covering the X's 

You need to stop trying so hard to disprove the whole case to make a theory work. you can't think straight in this mode...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1570 on: March 30, 2019, 04:36:11 PM »
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Eric, you need to get a grip here..the blown up portion showing the possible jump area is the same plots on the map. slight turns are there just as it shows.

The map is calculations of possible exit locations and time. none of them are "right" it's calculations of possibilities to determine where to look for Cooper on the ground. you need to look at the map without the green lines. it's covering the X's 

You need to stop trying so hard to disprove the whole case to make a theory work. you can't think straight in this mode...

Here's the timeline.

19:45 PST   Flt 305 reports 19 NM DME out of SEA at 7,000 ft. No comm.. with Cooper but have an aft stair light.   Pilot   Comm. with Flt-Ops MSP 

Passing Toutle at:  around 2001-2002 time stamps on flight path?

So stairs had been had been open about 15 mins prior to placard leaving - just a guess.

All the placard position does is slightly confirm the flight path at about 2000-2005 ? It has no effect on where Cooper jumped except as one event happening prior to Cooper leaving in the 2010-2015 time period.   
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1571 on: March 30, 2019, 04:44:05 PM »
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Eric, you need to get a grip here..the blown up portion showing the possible jump area is the same plots on the map. slight turns are there just as it shows.

The map is calculations of possible exit locations and time. none of them are "right" it's calculations of possibilities to determine where to look for Cooper on the ground. you need to look at the map without the green lines. it's covering the X's 

You need to stop trying so hard to disprove the whole case to make a theory work. you can't think straight in this mode...

All I have to do is prove one part of the FBI flight path is incorrect to bring the rest into question. This is classic Debate 101.

I have proven that there are discrepancies in the two FBI maps: One equals 2.64 SM, the other we're not sure because the jet just continues south as opposed to turning down the V23 center line. Both versions cannot be true.

With respect to the jump time: Didn't anyone own a damn watch? No one with a clock on the wall? Rat clearly stated "mark this time down on your map."

I'm not just pulling $#!+ out of thin air. I am basing my analysis upon the facts (placard find, money find, river flow, etc.) That's all I can do. Now if someone wants argue that the truth is in disguise based upon these facts then that's okay. However, at that point I'm going to turn around and say, "There is someone helplessly arguing a case regardless of the facts."
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1572 on: March 30, 2019, 04:46:48 PM »
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I have proven that there are discrepancies in the two FBI maps: One equals 2.64 SM

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1573 on: March 30, 2019, 04:48:06 PM »
The plane meets up with centerline at 8:12...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1574 on: March 30, 2019, 04:51:16 PM »
You don't have facts with the money find without knowing exactly how it got there, the same for the placard. you are basing facts on assumptions and speculation. the river flow has nothing to do with the flight path.
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