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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1515 on: March 28, 2019, 11:43:01 PM »
where is R2?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1516 on: March 28, 2019, 11:43:56 PM »
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where is R2?

Seattle.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1517 on: March 28, 2019, 11:45:02 PM »
If a special target like a hijacking was approaching there airspace I'd bet several controllers were watching?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1518 on: March 28, 2019, 11:46:43 PM »
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If a special target like a hijacking was approaching there airspace I'd bet several controllers were watching?

A whole group of people. Keep in mind they (Portland) were also handling incoming traffic - Bohan for one.

OK. where are the western and eastern limits of V23 at Portland ? I forget - will pull up a chart.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1519 on: March 28, 2019, 11:49:33 PM »
they can handle several planes at one time. you specified they were not watching while crossing the Columbia. this was the area of the possible jump zone.

 
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1520 on: March 28, 2019, 11:52:03 PM »
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they can handle several planes at one time. you specified they were not watching while crossing the Columbia. this was the area of the possible jump zone.

If we knew the coordinates for 8:05 we could calculate it out ...

Where is Ratczk when he says he could see the lights of Vancouver/Portland coming up - is that at 8:05?   
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1521 on: March 28, 2019, 11:53:41 PM »
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they can handle several planes at one time. you specified they were not watching while crossing the Columbia. this was the area of the possible jump zone.

If we knew the coordinates for 8:05 we could calculate it out ...

Where is Ratczk when he says he could see the lights of Vancouver/Portland coming up - is that at 8:05?

That was mentioned in the interview not the transcripts..don't know where they were at that time.
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« Reply #1522 on: March 28, 2019, 11:55:15 PM »
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they can handle several planes at one time. you specified they were not watching while crossing the Columbia. this was the area of the possible jump zone.

If we knew the coordinates for 8:05 we could calculate it out ...

Where is Ratczk when he says he could see the lights of Vancouver/Portland coming up - is that at 8:05?

That was mentioned in the interview not the transcripts..don't know where they were at that time.

Maybe that position has never been fixed. This is where I miss not being able to search DZ ... there are notes about this there.

As luck would have it we dont have the position and time of the T33 intercept near Oswego either.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1523 on: March 28, 2019, 11:56:28 PM »
the cords can be taken from the flight path map. you can look at the area just past Ariel and see V23. you have 4 miles on each side of the center line of any airway.

Let me get the cords for 8:05
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1524 on: March 28, 2019, 11:57:47 PM »
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the cords can be taken from the flight path map. you can look at the area just past Ariel and see V23. you have 4 miles on each side of the center line of any airway.

Let me get the cords for 8:05

ok ... so if the Op at Portland says 1-2 miles east of V23 center line then its still within V23.
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« Reply #1525 on: March 29, 2019, 12:01:00 AM »
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the cords can be taken from the flight path map. you can look at the area just past Ariel and see V23. you have 4 miles on each side of the center line of any airway.

Let me get the cords for 8:05

ok ... so if the Op at Portland says 1-2 miles east of V23 center line then its still within V23.

yes...

Here is an approx. location of the 8:05 position    N46°11.92' W122°39.32'
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1526 on: March 29, 2019, 12:02:24 AM »
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the cords can be taken from the flight path map. you can look at the area just past Ariel and see V23. you have 4 miles on each side of the center line of any airway.

Let me get the cords for 8:05

ok ... so if the Op at Portland says 1-2 miles east of V23 center line then its still within V23.

yes...

Here is an approx. location of the 8:05 position    N46°11.92' W122°39.32'

ok let me go play with this ...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1527 on: March 29, 2019, 12:07:35 AM »
Here -
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1528 on: March 29, 2019, 12:12:34 AM »
I'm not sure the cords are accurately crossing over on Google...
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1529 on: March 29, 2019, 12:19:39 AM »
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I'm not sure the cords are accurately crossing over on Google...

I know ... let me post this concerning the 302 mention of a radar op at PDX saying they were east of V23 CL.. The red is V23 I think ... the deviation from V23 centerline is shown here ....

Note the times and their positions ...
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