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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1500 on: March 28, 2019, 05:00:49 PM »
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You can't base facts from a hunch. I don't follow this "arc" deal. how are you determining 3 miles to Amboy and the other locations?

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The jet arrived near the Malay intersection and made a turn at Toledo at 7:59 PM.

Did the plane go in reverse at this point? malay is southeast of Toledo....

Toledo is 7 miles from my home. Larry Mason was the Manager of the Airport until his retirement last year. I have talked to him as he was a pilot for United Airlines and flew copilot with my late Uncle Erv. They do naked skydiving from the Toledo airport ! They asked me IF I was interested! Lol I’ve never talked any Cooper with him as we only talked about his days flying with Uncle Erv.


the path went around Ed Carlson field. if that's the airport you are talking about?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1501 on: March 28, 2019, 05:09:36 PM »
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You can't base facts from a hunch. I don't follow this "arc" deal. how are you determining 3 miles to Amboy and the other locations?

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The jet arrived near the Malay intersection and made a turn at Toledo at 7:59 PM.

Did the plane go in reverse at this point? malay is southeast of Toledo....

Toledo is 7 miles from my home. Larry Mason was the Manager of the Airport until his retirement last year. I have talked to him as he was a pilot for United Airlines and flew copilot with my late Uncle Erv. They do naked skydiving from the Toledo airport ! They asked me IF I was interested! Lol I’ve never talked any Cooper with him as we only talked about his days flying with Uncle Erv.


the path went around Ed Carlson field. if that's the airport you are talking about?

Yes one and the same airport.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1502 on: March 28, 2019, 05:12:31 PM »
Yes, I'm talking about Ed Carlson Field.

Also, the conspiracy would be if the Hicks' family provided the wrong location for the placard find, the Ingram's provided the wrong location for the money find, the pilot's provided the wrong "pressure bump" time, the FBI provided the wrong Malay arrival time, Mother Nature was just messing with us and shifted the wind from the southwest at the spot of the placard departure, and, I really don't know what to say about the river flow because it seems quite apparent that the river flows to the Pacific and not the other way around.

These are some very basic facts.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1503 on: March 28, 2019, 05:16:02 PM »
what is the timing of the pressure bump? I didn't know one was known?

the placard is where it landed. no test has ever been done to see what it would do. it would be a different story if it had weight to it and would tend to float or change directions. take a look at the map of Mcnally. his crap was all over the place from 10,000 feet.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1504 on: March 28, 2019, 05:25:50 PM »
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Where to start???

First, the jet didn't go over the Maylay intersection and didn't go over Toledo...it went around the airport near both of them so that's what I mean.

Second, the arc is the line that represents where the jet would be at 8:12 PM (Cooper's jump time) depending upon the direction it headed from Malay.

Third, is it worth even commenting about the likelihood that Cooper would land on Sauvie Island 3 miles south of St. Helens and walk all the way down to I-5, cross the bridge to Vancouver, then walk all the way up to Tena Bar? That isn't likely just as swimming directly across the Columbia River from Sauvie Island isn't likely...hence, he didn't land in Oregon, he landed in Washington State.

Fourth, yes Tena Bar is on what is essentially an island, or peninsula, or whatever you want to call it. The point is DB Cooper would have to cross water to get to Tena Bar if coming from too far west, too far north, or too far east...which is...you got it, where the 8:12 arc is.

Fifth, in fact I'm very familiar with Tena Bar. It's a beach with sand on it. Perhaps you should refer back to the 1980 footage of the FBI agents digging up the beach. It is not made of some sort of special sand-concrete that is impossible to dig a hole without a shovel, yet lets paper currency bury itself three feet deep.

Finally, how do you not agree that the 8:12 jump time, location of the placard find, location of the money find, direction of the Columbia River's flow and the speed and direction from which the wind was blowing on November 24, 1971 are facts?

Once again, you’re fabricating your own facts ! Who says Cooper landed on Sauvie Island besides you ? I’ve fished on and around Sauvie Island from the 50’s. Also I saw the 1980 FBI digging ! In case you weren’t paying attention, they used shovels and backhoes ! Burying 20 lbs of money in hard sand on a public beach with no shovel doesn’t make sense to me !
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1505 on: March 28, 2019, 05:27:18 PM »
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what is the timing of the pressure bump? I didn't know one was known?

the placard is where it landed. no test has ever been done to see what it would do. it would be a different story if it had weight to it and would tend to float or change directions. take a look at the map of Mcnally. his crap was all over the place from 10,000 feet.

Now we are splitting hairs here. Call it the "oscillation stop," "pressure bump," time when Rat said "our friend may have left us," we all get it...it was 8:12.

Also, there was a very brisk breeze from the southwest, the placard is going to be carried along with the breeze and travel to the northeast. How can it not?

Finally, I did end the theory by stating it is theoretically possible that the FBI was correct about all of it and that Cooper landed in the FBI search area, yet managed to escape with everything that he jumped with. Of course, this would also mean that Cooper traveled to Tena Bar to bury 6K. In my diseased mind, that doesn't really make any sense.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1506 on: March 28, 2019, 05:31:24 PM »
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Who says Cooper landed on Sauvie Island besides you ?

This is now officially getting painful. I did not say that Cooper landed on Sauvie Island. I said he did not land on Sauvie Island. Rather he landed east of Sauvie Island on the 8:12 arc which either puts him in the Columbia River downstream from Tena Bar, or, on Bachelor Island.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1507 on: March 28, 2019, 05:49:21 PM »
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Who says Cooper landed on Sauvie Island besides you ?

This is now officially getting painful. I did not say that Cooper landed on Sauvie Island. I said he did not land on Sauvie Island. Rather he landed east of Sauvie Island on the 8:12 arc which either puts him in the Columbia River downstream from Tena Bar, or, on Bachelor Island.

What measurable "facts" do you base this on? Give us your facts and your numbers, please.

/The area of a sector can be expressed using its central angle or its arc length. ... If A = area of the sector, and s = arc length, then . Solving the proportion for A gives: Segment of a Circle: The segment of a circle is the region bounded by a chord and the arc subtended by the chord./
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1508 on: March 28, 2019, 05:56:07 PM »
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Who says Cooper landed on Sauvie Island besides you ?

This is now officially getting painful. I did not say that Cooper landed on Sauvie Island. I said he did not land on Sauvie Island. Rather he landed east of Sauvie Island on the 8:12 arc which either puts him in the Columbia River downstream from Tena Bar, or, on Bachelor Island.

What measurable "facts" do you base this on? Give us your facts and your numbers, please.

/The area of a sector can be expressed using its central angle or its arc length. ... If A = area of the sector, and s = arc length, then . Solving the proportion for A gives: Segment of a Circle: The segment of a circle is the region bounded by a chord and the arc subtended by the chord./

First off, let me apologize to Kermit for being snarky in my response to his post. I'm simply trying say that I do not believe Cooper landed in Oregon or the Columbia River. Rather, I believe he landed in the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge.

Second, although I am graphically challenged I will attempt to put together a map with the important spots noted along with the 8:12 arc.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1509 on: March 28, 2019, 06:03:27 PM »
Rat also said he believes Cooper jumped 5-10 minutes after the last contact with Cooper. that gives a time of 8:15.

After speaking with Tom Kaye I didn't take into consideration of the placard spinning all the way down. lots of variables with the placard as I have mentioned. nothing concrete.
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« Reply #1510 on: March 28, 2019, 06:14:36 PM »
Tom also spoke with the traffic controller stating they didn't leave V23.
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« Reply #1511 on: March 28, 2019, 06:17:31 PM »
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where the chase planes were staged—and the Canby intersection.

what does this mean?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1512 on: March 28, 2019, 06:18:17 PM »
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Who says Cooper landed on Sauvie Island besides you ?

This is now officially getting painful. I did not say that Cooper landed on Sauvie Island. I said he did not land on Sauvie Island. Rather he landed east of Sauvie Island on the 8:12 arc which either puts him in the Columbia River downstream from Tena Bar, or, on Bachelor Island.

What measurable "facts" do you base this on? Give us your facts and your numbers, please.

/The area of a sector can be expressed using its central angle or its arc length. ... If A = area of the sector, and s = arc length, then . Solving the proportion for A gives: Segment of a Circle: The segment of a circle is the region bounded by a chord and the arc subtended by the chord./

First off, let me apologize to Kermit for being snarky in my response to his post. I'm simply trying say that I do not believe Cooper landed in Oregon or the Columbia River. Rather, I believe he landed in the Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge.

Second, although I am graphically challenged I will attempt to put together a map with the important spots noted along with the 8:12 arc.

Apology accepted as apparently I misread what you were saying. Cooper could have bailed and landed safely in a lot of different areas as unfortunately the exact time he bailed and also the exact flight location cannot be verified to anyone’s satisfaction. We all get a little snippy sometimes regarding this Cooper mystery so I apologize to anyone I offended along the way !
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« Reply #1513 on: March 28, 2019, 10:43:16 PM »
This is damaging evidence when it comes to moving the flight path. he has been consistent since 1971.
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« Reply #1514 on: March 28, 2019, 11:39:22 PM »
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This is damaging evidence when it comes to moving the flight path. he has been consistent since 1971.

That's interesting. That is the exact opposite of what R2 said about the Portland radar op! He said the Portland op wasnt even watching his screen! 
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