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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1215 on: November 16, 2017, 01:52:02 AM »
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Bruce, if you have been paying attention for the past eight years or so, then you know where you can find the answers to your questions.  They have been answered numerous times here by a number of people, including myself.

You told me once that you were an "investigative reporter".  So you should be overqualified for the simple task of reading some of the threads here.


So I gather you are not going to answer my questions about ground observations, pilot statements, and other documentation. Instead, you mock me and make provocative statements suggesting that I go looking through the records so that you don't have to actually cite the people and documents that you previously claimed verify your Mandalay-Canby Intersect Flight Path.

Is that correct?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1216 on: November 16, 2017, 02:33:29 AM »
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Bruce, if you have been paying attention for the past eight years or so, then you know where you can find the answers to your questions.  They have been answered numerous times here by a number of people, including myself.

You told me once that you were an "investigative reporter".  So you should be overqualified for the simple task of reading some of the threads here.


So I gather you are not going to answer my questions about ground observations, pilot statements, and other documentation. Instead, you mock me and make provocative statements suggesting that I go looking through the records so that you don't have to actually cite the people and documents that you previously claimed verify your Mandalay-Canby Intersect Flight Path.

Is that correct?

Give it a rest Achilles!
 

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« Reply #1217 on: November 16, 2017, 02:49:25 AM »
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Bruce, if you have been paying attention for the past eight years or so, then you know where you can find the answers to your questions.  They have been answered numerous times here by a number of people, including myself.

You told me once that you were an "investigative reporter".  So you should be overqualified for the simple task of reading some of the threads here.


So I gather you are not going to answer my questions about ground observations, pilot statements, and other documentation. Instead, you mock me and make provocative statements suggesting that I go looking through the records so that you don't have to actually cite the people and documents that you previously claimed verify your Mandalay-Canby Intersect Flight Path.

Is that correct?

No that is not correct.

Your questions have already been answered multiple times and at great length.  All you have to do is read the answers.

Is that simple enough?
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1218 on: November 16, 2017, 03:08:59 AM »
No.

Your response is vague, non-specific, and unsatisfying. In fact, it's a dodge.

If you are going to claim multiple sources verify your hypothesis then you should be able to back it up upon demand.

Remember, the guy actually flying the plane said something very different than you on national television last year. So if you are going to contradict him you should have your proof readily available because extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, Robert. Always has. Always will.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1219 on: November 16, 2017, 03:11:44 AM »
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Bruce, if you have been paying attention for the past eight years or so, then you know where you can find the answers to your questions.  They have been answered numerous times here by a number of people, including myself.

You told me once that you were an "investigative reporter".  So you should be overqualified for the simple task of reading some of the threads here.


So I gather you are not going to answer my questions about ground observations, pilot statements, and other documentation. Instead, you mock me and make provocative statements suggesting that I go looking through the records so that you don't have to actually cite the people and documents that you previously claimed verify your Mandalay-Canby Intersect Flight Path.

Is that correct?

Give it a rest Achilles!

Why?

Are you satisfied with Robert's non-answer? If so, why?

More to the point - do you support the Mandalay-Canby Intersect Flight Path?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1220 on: November 16, 2017, 03:26:49 AM »
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No.

Your response is vague, non-specific, and unsatisfying. In fact, it's a dodge.

If you are going to claim multiple sources verify your hypothesis then you should be able to back it up upon demand.

Bruce, I do give the sources, reasoning, etc..  But I am damned tired of having to explain the same thing to YOU repeatedly.  Other people seem to understand it with the first explanation.  So no more "on demand" explanations.  You are going to have to read the explanations yourself and they are already on this site.

And I am not on "The Road to Mandalay".  It's the Malay to Canby Intersections flight path.
 

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« Reply #1221 on: November 16, 2017, 03:32:52 AM »
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No.

Your response is vague, non-specific, and unsatisfying. In fact, it's a dodge.

If you are going to claim multiple sources verify your hypothesis then you should be able to back it up upon demand.

Bruce, I do give the sources, reasoning, etc..  But I am damned tired of having to explain the same thing to YOU repeatedly.  Other people seem to understand it with the first explanation.  So no more "on demand" explanations.  You are going to have to read the explanations yourself and they are already on this site.

And I am not on "The Road to Mandalay".  It's the Malay to Canby Intersections flight path.

Rudyard Kipling ..... Gunga Din ......... The Great Image is also considered as the greatest in Burma next to Shwedagon Pagoda. A visit to Mandalay is incomplete without a visit to Mahamuni Pagoda. ... Shwenandaw Monastery: Famous for its intricate wood carvings, this monastery is a fragile reminder of the old Mandalay Palace on The Road to Mandalay!  :rofl:

I about cracked up the first time I read that post by Bruce.  ;D
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1222 on: November 16, 2017, 03:38:08 AM »
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Bruce, I do give the sources, reasoning, etc..


Where?

You say "pilots," and I say which ones. Is that too much to answer, especially when the primary pilot contradicts you and does so on a major platform?

You say "ground observers," and I ask which ones. Where did they see the plane? Are we talking "Janet" here, or Dona Elliott? You consider them credible? If so, why?

As for being tired, well, I guess that comes from making bold statements and not being prepared to defend them.

As for me, I'm tired, too, so I'm going to bed.
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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1223 on: November 16, 2017, 03:41:11 AM »
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... A visit to Mandalay is incomplete without a visit to Mahamuni Pagoda. ...

I about cracked up the first time I read that post by Bruce.  ;D


"The greatest of things can be accomplished in a light heart," Georger. Sounds like you are on your way. BTW, guess who voiced that quote - my old buddy, the Big R. Heh, heh...
 

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« Reply #1224 on: November 16, 2017, 04:18:19 PM »
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... A visit to Mandalay is incomplete without a visit to Mahamuni Pagoda. ...

I about cracked up the first time I read that post by Bruce.  ;D


"The greatest of things can be accomplished in a light heart," Georger. Sounds like you are on your way. BTW, guess who voiced that quote - my old buddy, the Big R. Heh, heh...

Here we go again. The smarmy bullshit never stops with you does it?

Look! You make it miserable here - impossible to function here.
 
I guess Bruce must have his fun - at the expense of everything else. Let us know Bruce when we can have this forum back, wont cha?

For those who like Bruce's destructive crap, please continue ... without some of the rest of us!

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« Reply #1225 on: November 16, 2017, 09:12:41 PM »
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Bruce,

Assuming that the airliner flew direct from the Malay Intersection to the Canby Intersection, it would never be more than eight miles west of the centerline of V-23 anywhere between those two points.  So the airliner, and placard as well, would be within the lateral limits of V-23 for a considerable part of that diversion.


Good to know.

Are answers to my others questions coming any time soon? Ground Obs, pilot testimony, etc...

Just askin'.

Bruce, if you have been paying attention for the past eight years or so, then you know where you can find the answers to your questions.  They have been answered numerous times here by a number of people, including myself.

You told me once that you were an "investigative reporter".  So you should be overqualified for the simple task of reading some of the threads here.




Well put, R99....you would  think an "investigative reporter" would know how to find information that has been reviewed, gone over, and analyzed for 8 years.  Smith asks questions and ponders issues that have been dealt with, in detail, in past years.  It' like the guy has total amnesia at times.  Also, I thought an investigative reporter would try to be more objective and neutral in his observation of things. 

Meyer
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1226 on: November 16, 2017, 09:27:57 PM »
So... Georger's question still stands, has anyone seen this map before?
 

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Re: Flight Path And Related Issues
« Reply #1227 on: November 16, 2017, 10:12:28 PM »
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So... Georger's question still stands, has anyone seen this map before?


I've never seen it, but it's very similar to what has been published and seen for years....it appears to show two possible jump times before the Lewis river...make that 3 times...

I don't know why they make it appear to be two different tracks, but one jump time shows him landing close to the Lewis river..
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« Reply #1228 on: November 16, 2017, 10:43:06 PM »
It is different from the FBI map showing the 3 possible paths and different jump scenario's...this might explain why they were camped at Ariel looking in the area above the Lewis river, or north of the river?
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« Reply #1229 on: November 16, 2017, 11:17:29 PM »
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So... Georger's question still stands, has anyone seen this map before?

Nope.  One interesting thing to me is that the write-up states that it used data from the flight data recorder.  I would think the air traffic control people would have better information than that.