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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #990 on: April 21, 2016, 04:50:06 PM »
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Flares could of been to there advantage. they can lite up 15 acres for 15 seconds. I'm not saying they did, I think a lot of people would have seen them...

In my opinion, it is very unlikely that the T-33 or the F-106s(?) would be carrying flares in the first place.  I do not know of any purpose that they would serve.  In any event, the aircraft were quite a bit higher than the lowest cloud layer which (from memory) was about 3,000 feet.


It appears the F-106 was not equipped with flares for detouring missiles, but the C-130's had them. I just thought it might be what could of been seen that evening....

T 33 and F 106 had no means for launching flares. Some C 130s in combat zones were equipped with IR seeker decoy flares but I see no evidence that the "trash hauler" Hercs at McChord were so equipped. HC 130H rescue Hercs had HUGE parachute equipped flares launched from the open rear tailgate to illuminate areas for night rescues. I have seen these dropper around a boat sinking site, would have been seen by thousands if dropped in an urban or suburban area. Intensely bright white (not red) light and clearly visible chute above. Long hang timke too, not a ballistic drop.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #991 on: April 21, 2016, 05:00:27 PM »
 

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« Reply #992 on: April 21, 2016, 06:23:35 PM »
Was working beside this place today down in Miami  8)
 

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« Reply #993 on: April 22, 2016, 05:18:02 PM »
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Thats an AC 130 gunship depicted. Trash hauler Hercs like the ones at McChord never had IR decoy flares as far as I can tell.

Will be jumping Sunday with radio gear. Wish I had Duane's super duper CB-Aviation Band rig. 10-4 Good Buddy from the World's Biggest Jock Carrier.

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« Reply #994 on: April 22, 2016, 05:19:10 PM »
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Was working beside this place today down in Miami  8)

Knock on the door Shutter and ask if anyone knew Duane Weber. ;)

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« Reply #995 on: April 22, 2016, 06:34:11 PM »
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Was working beside this place today down in Miami  8)

Knock on the door Shutter and ask if anyone knew Duane Weber. ;)

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #996 on: April 25, 2016, 06:31:36 PM »
Jo's most recent emails make it sound like she is retiring from the Cooper Vortex because she has now conclusively proven that DW was DBC. Maybe she has to her own standard of proof, but not to anybody else's.

She is certain that Duane was part of a US govt Arctic counterspy extraction mission using the Fulton Skyhook. The extracted parties were retrieving stuff from an abandoned USSR Ice Station spypost.

She also claims that Duane's modified CB radio was just like a CIA radio/homing beacon she saw in a photograph. I've asked twice to see the photo but so far nothing.

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« Reply #997 on: April 25, 2016, 07:06:58 PM »
I get some rather long emails from Jo. I don't read them all, or I stop after I've seen enough. it's a a shame she doesn't realize she has wasted so much of her time on this.

Several of these popular suspects have been ruled out by the FBI for years now, but that doesn't stop them.
 

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« Reply #998 on: April 26, 2016, 11:52:54 PM »
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I get some rather long emails from Jo. I don't read them all, or I stop after I've seen enough. it's a a shame she doesn't realize she has wasted so much of her time on this.

Several of these popular suspects have been ruled out by the FBI for years now, but that doesn't stop them.

I wish we had a list of the 1000+ suspects looked at. And the dna profile. But of course I dream a lot!  :)
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« Reply #999 on: April 27, 2016, 08:37:20 PM »
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I wish we had a list of the 1000+ suspects looked at. And the dna profile. But of course I dream a lot!  :)


GG might be able to help with the list, if not the DNA. Skyjack has dozens of names listed, and I bet Geoff's notes contain even more.
 

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« Reply #1000 on: April 28, 2016, 12:44:38 AM »
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I wish we had a list of the 1000+ suspects looked at. And the dna profile. But of course I dream a lot!  :)


GG might be able to help with the list, if not the DNA. Skyjack has dozens of names listed, and I bet Geoff's notes contain even more.

New Question:  were all of the passengers finger printed and dna taken!? Im betting the answer is "no".
 

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« Reply #1001 on: April 28, 2016, 05:10:54 PM »
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I wish we had a list of the 1000+ suspects looked at. And the dna profile. But of course I dream a lot!  :)


GG might be able to help with the list, if not the DNA. Skyjack has dozens of names listed, and I bet Geoff's notes contain even more.

New Question:  were all of the passengers finger printed and dna taken!? Im betting the answer is "no".


I'm guessing they took the crews prints and called it a day....
 

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« Reply #1002 on: April 28, 2016, 06:11:25 PM »
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I wish we had a list of the 1000+ suspects looked at. And the dna profile. But of course I dream a lot!  :)


GG might be able to help with the list, if not the DNA. Skyjack has dozens of names listed, and I bet Geoff's notes contain even more.

New Question:  were all of the passengers finger printed and dna taken!? Im betting the answer is "no".


I'm guessing they took the crews prints and called it a day....

I still believe the best evidence in the Cooper case remains his prints and dna. I think about the time the FBI stopped looking for Cooper (actively), that was the time when print and dna archives began to be assembled worldwide in anticipation of an ARPANET/Internet, and I know dna archives worldwide today dwarf what was available only a few years ago. I have said since 2007, dna analytical techniques keep improving. Likewise analytical methods in print analysis have changed radically. Time is on the FBI's side in both these areas, whereas particle analysis could be a dead end mixed with almost countless dead-end roads which at first might seem promising. The spores found on Cooper's tie, for example, proved a dead end. I almost expect the Ti and Bi investigations to reach a similar conclusion; but I would love to be proved wrong. I am not convinced the FBI does not have Cooper's prints and dna. For whatever reason, Cooper was forensically very sloppy. It was superfluous in terms of everything he left behind that he asked for his note back, and probably could not erase in his last moments on the plane! 
           
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #1003 on: April 29, 2016, 04:55:03 PM »
Passenger Update

The NWO manifest is in error. Not three MacPhersons on board Flight 305, only two. The third passenger was an employee of MacPherson Real Estate company, a fellow named Paul Weitzel, who must be the "Mr. Weitzl" listed in the manifest. So the passenger list is short one individual. Another math problem.

I just got this from Scott MacPherson, who is both the "son," "S.," and the "Scott" MacPherson listed on the manifest and in the Seattle Times. Scott was 24 at the time of the hijacking. He doesn't remember exactly where he was sitting, but stated that it was "up near the front."

Scott is a pleasant fellow, but not too talky. He was only able to discuss the hijacking in general terms, but he was quite clear and animated about seeing the "Seattle First" money bags come aboard.

"It was pretty obvious what was going on when we saw the Seattle First bags," he told me. He described them as canvas bags. "We knew then that was why we had been circling Seattle for hours."

Scott also said that a couple of men entered the plane when the forward door opened, and he remembers two money bags and at least two men bringing them into the plane. His memory of the incident is that there was an exchange on board Flight 305, and that Tina did not leave the aircraft and re-enter with the money.

Scott does not know who or what these men were, whether they were FBI, FAA, or something else, or some combination.

Scott did not get a good look at the hijacker, who was sitting "far in the back."

Scott was not interviewed by the FBI in the terminal, but his father, Bill MacPherson, encountered a TV news reporter that he knew and gave him an interview.

"He was a pretty out-going kind of guy," Scott said. "He was pretty, um, gregarious, and enjoyed the attention."

Bill MacPherson died in 1988, Scott told me. Weitzel is still alive, but Scott hasn't had any contact with him in at least 25 years.

Scott has not talked with any other passengers, either during the debriefing period or in the years following the hijacking. He has not spoken to Larry Finegold.

Scott also does not remember the passengers moving up in the plane or changing seats at any time. However, he does remember clearly that the flight attendants "had their hands full" dealing with a drunk passenger sitting a few rows behind Scott. "That's when they cut-off the alcohol service. They really had a hard time settling him down."

Scott does not remember if the drunk passenger was in uniform, or sitting next to a military figure, as reported by the Simmons in GG's book.
 

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« Reply #1004 on: April 29, 2016, 05:51:16 PM »
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Passenger Update

The NWO manifest is in error. Not three MacPhersons on board Flight 305, only two. The third passenger was an employee of MacPherson Real Estate company, a fellow named Paul Weitzel, who must be the "Mr. Weitzl" listed in the manifest. So the passenger list is short one individual. Another math problem.

I just got this from Scott MacPherson, who is both the "son," "S.," and the "Scott" MacPherson listed on the manifest and in the Seattle Times. Scott was 24 at the time of the hijacking. He doesn't remember exactly where he was sitting, but stated that it was "up near the front."

Scott is a pleasant fellow, but not too talky. He was only able to discuss the hijacking in general terms, but he was quite clear and animated about seeing the "Seattle First" money bags come aboard.

"It was pretty obvious what was going on when we saw the Seattle First bags," he told me. He described them as canvas bags. "We knew then that was why we had been circling Seattle for hours."

Scott also said that a couple of men entered the plane when the forward door opened, and he remembers two money bags and at least two men bringing them into the plane. His memory of the incident is that there was an exchange on board Flight 305, and that Tina did not leave the aircraft and re-enter with the money.

Scott does not know who or what these men were, whether they were FBI, FAA, or something else, or some combination.

Scott did not get a good look at the hijacker, who was sitting "far in the back."

Scott was not interviewed by the FBI in the terminal, but his father, Bill MacPherson, encountered a TV news reporter that he knew and gave him an interview.

"He was a pretty out-going kind of guy," Scott said. "He was pretty, um, gregarious, and enjoyed the attention."

Bill MacPherson died in 1988, Scott told me. Weitzel is still alive, but Scott hasn't had any contact with him in at least 25 years.

Scott has not talked with any other passengers, either during the debriefing period or in the years following the hijacking. He has not spoken to Larry Finegold.

Scott also does not remember the passengers moving up in the plane or changing seats at any time. However, he does remember clearly that the flight attendants "had their hands full" dealing with a drunk passenger sitting a few rows behind Scott. "That's when they cut-off the alcohol service. They really had a hard time settling him down."

Scott does not remember if the drunk passenger was in uniform, or sitting next to a military figure, as reported by the Simmons in GG's book.

Interesting.

"We knew then that was why we had been circling Seattle for hours." indicates the passengers were communicating among themselves?

Did he talk to anyone about the hijacking, at the time or in the years after?

Good work Bruce. ;)
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