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Do you believe Cooper lived or died. the option are below to cast a vote...

0% Cooper lived
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25% Cooper lived
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35% Cooper lived.
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50% Cooper lived
14 (21.9%)
75% Cooper lived
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100 Cooper lived
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Offline Shutter

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #945 on: April 16, 2016, 09:57:08 PM »
Vicki, can you send me the Harrison files again? they are on my computer that had the hard drive go poof. :-X

Still give me an error trying to download on WSHS
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #946 on: April 16, 2016, 09:59:11 PM »
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Vicki, can you send me the Harrison files again? they are on my computer that had the hard drive go poof. :-X

Still give me an error trying to download on WSHS


I do not think I have ever had them.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #947 on: April 16, 2016, 10:00:16 PM »
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Vicki, can you send me the Harrison files again? they are on my computer that had the hard drive go poof. :-X

Still give me an error trying to download on WSHS


I do not think I have ever had them.

You sent the PDF to me a while back. Georger Harrison notes?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #948 on: April 16, 2016, 10:02:13 PM »
They are on the WSHS website, but it always gives me an error downloading them...not to be confused with the guy in the photo  ;D ;D ;D


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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #949 on: April 16, 2016, 10:11:19 PM »
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They are on the WSHS website, but it always gives me an error downloading them...


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I am not by a computer. Only phone. Been riding the Harley all day. Tomorrow does not look good for computer research either.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #950 on: April 17, 2016, 01:41:15 AM »
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Does Mr. Cooper have interest in the case?


Not that I know of. I couldn't see any obvious agenda for Mike to make up a story, lie and deceive me, be delusional or psychotic, or any of the usual Cooper Vortex stuff. He just told me his simple story - and it contained internal inconsistencies AND didn't jibe with what others have told me.
 

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« Reply #951 on: April 17, 2016, 02:29:30 AM »
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Does Mr. Cooper have interest in the case?


Not that I know of. I couldn't see any obvious agenda for Mike to make up a story, lie and deceive me, be delusional or psychotic, or any of the usual Cooper Vortex stuff. He just told me his simple story - and it contained internal inconsistencies AND didn't jibe with what others have told me.

How can you be sure this guy was even on the airliner?
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #952 on: April 17, 2016, 03:50:18 AM »
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How can you be sure this guy was even on the airliner?


All I can say is:

He is listed on the Northwest Orient flight manifest. AND he is also listed on the Seattle Times list, which, as published, in fairness looks and reads like a carbon-copy of the NWO list.

Snowmman, HELP! We need to check out this guy. Confirm his story. Call his old school in Missoula, Montana. Confirm him being on board Flight 305 with Bill Mitchell/flight crew/FBI. It's times like these that really piss me off that the Gang of Principals are too whacky/stuck-up/paranoid/grumpy to talk about the case.

C'mon Alice, Tina, Flo, Billy, Curtis, Larry, Rat - let's get real.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #953 on: April 17, 2016, 04:00:10 AM »
It is time that everyone in Norjak Man Up or put their Big Girl panties on. Everyone is beginning to really piss me off, and for 3rd Edition I am going to really turn up the heat.

All you on-lookers on the sidelines that thought I was too tough on the witnesses, flight crew, passengers, et al., well, I'm gonna let it rip, New York style.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #954 on: April 17, 2016, 09:30:02 AM »
It's time someone contacted them. some of them are getting on in the years and won't be with us much longer.

I thought the FBI debriefed the passengers before they were released to go about there business?
 

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« Reply #955 on: April 17, 2016, 02:16:53 PM »
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It is time that everyone in Norjak Man Up or put their Big Girl panties on. Everyone is beginning to really piss me off, and for 3rd Edition I am going to really turn up the heat.

All you on-lookers on the sidelines that thought I was too tough on the witnesses, flight crew, passengers, et al., well, I'm gonna let it rip, New York style.

Bruce,

Hopefully, in a few weeks, I will have some posts ready that will move you to somewhere beyond the pissed off stage.

So be patient in the meantime. 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #956 on: April 17, 2016, 03:49:25 PM »
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It's time someone contacted them. some of them are getting on in the years and won't be with us much longer.

I thought the FBI debriefed the passengers before they were released to go about there business?


Quite true.

Bill Mitchell is 64. He was 20 at the time of the skyjacking.

Michael Cooper says he is 76, putting him at 32 in '71.

Alan B Truitt is long-gone, as is his daughter, Karen, who passed away in 2013, but came to the Portland Symposium and was quite chatty about what she remembers of her father's presence aboard Flight 305, along with three of his colleagues from the regional office of the US GSA: Andvik, Donohue, and Street.

Jack Almstad was pushing 90 when I spoke with him a few years back,  and his memory was already fuzzy, as he told me the flight originated in Sacramento until his wife corrected him.

Sluggo says that five passengers self-identified themselves to the FBI as folks who saw the skyjacker or had some kind of encounter with him: Bill Mitchell, George Labissioniere, Nancy House, Robert Gregory, Cord Harms Zem-Spreckel. I assume that these five were interviewed at Sea-Tac. Mitchell says he was the last of the group. Not sure if any others were interviewed. Michael Cooper says he was not - but can a guy with the name of Cooper not be questioned, especially when he says he as pronounced as the skyjacker - then says he didn't know he had been hijacked until he gets to his sister's place and watches the TV? Yikes. (Sounds like some people in my family.....)
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #957 on: April 17, 2016, 07:46:34 PM »
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It is time that everyone in Norjak Man Up or put their Big Girl panties on. Everyone is beginning to really piss me off, and for 3rd Edition I am going to really turn up the heat.

All you on-lookers on the sidelines that thought I was too tough on the witnesses, flight crew, passengers, et al., well, I'm gonna let it rip, New York style.

Bruce,

Hopefully, in a few weeks, I will have some posts ready that will move you to somewhere beyond the pissed off stage.

So be patient in the meantime.

Thanks.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #958 on: April 17, 2016, 08:18:57 PM »
Passenger Update - Larry Finegold

Just had a one-hour chat with Lawrence B Finegold, who was an assistant US District Attorney at the time of the hijacking, was returning from Vancouver where he was prepping with federal officials in a case related to the Alioto kick-back trial. Alioto was the mayor of San Francisco at the time.

Some basics:

1. Larry was sitting in Row 6, starboard side.
2. Doesn't remember anyone sitting near him. No one ahead of him in "First Class."
3. Doesn't remember passengers from the rear of the plane being called up to the front of the plane. Doesn't remember any announcement from the cockpit to that effect.
4. He does remember the Captain getting on the intercom near the end of the flight and advises everyone to get into the "tuck position" for landing. "His voice was so calm and reassuring that he could soothe anyone heading to the guillotine," Larry said to me, or words to that effect. (I didn't know Scotty had it in him!)
5. Larry has been interviewed "100s of times." Recently turned down an interview request from Oprah. Larry says just Google his name and DB Cooper and one will find all the interviews.
6. Apparently Jo has contacted Larry, but we didn't discuss it in detail.

Overview:

Larry remember circling Seattle for hours, and assumed it had something to do with problems with the aircraft. "might have been related to the landing gears. I just don't remember. It was really raining, too, so I thought it might have been weather-related."

Larry remembers the Captain telling the passengers that they were burning off fuel prior to the landing, so when they landed on a "far section of the runway," Larry got really upset when he saw a fuel truck waiting for them. He assumed the fuel truck was gogin to off-load more fuel!

"They care more about the fuel than they do the passengers!" Larry fumed.

After a bit of time of sitting in their seats while on the runway, the doors opened up, and Larry remember seeing an FBI agent that he knew from his court work enter the plane. They greeted, and Larry says that the agent told him that a "skyjacker was on board," and that he would tell him more later. Larry thinks he was the first passenger to know they had been hijacked. Larry doesn't think that anyone else realized a hijacking was on-going.

Larry remembers getting on a bus to get to the terminal, but doesn't remember the roll-call. He was also surprised to learn that there were two "Coopers" on board, Michael and Dan.

This points to a bigger dynamic. As a US ADA in Seattle, Larry was "walled off from the case" and isolated from other passengers and FBI interrogators so that his role as a potential witness would not be compromised. As a result, he had little interaction with FBI agents once they got to the terminal and the feds ascertain that the passengers were safe, and had little to give them that would help in the bigger issue of what to do with an active skyjacker with a bomb in a plane on the runway.

As a result, Larry does not know how the Group of Five were selected or how and where they talked to the FBI.

"I wasn't at the airport very long once we got to the terminal. I wanted to get home! remember, it was the day before Thanksgiving."

Along those lines, Larry is still pissed (mildly) at his brother for scary the daylights out of Larry's wife, because he called the wife and asked, "Isn't Larry supposed to be flying home from Portland today? It's that where the skyjacking started?"

Surprisingly, Larry has little interest in the DB Cooper case, and is more fascinated by other great case that he has handled, such as his prosecution of Murphy and Lewis in their defrauding Newsweek reporter Fleming about DB Cooper. Several weeks after DBC, Larry was summoned out to Sea-Tac again, this time to accompany his boss Stan Pitkins in the arrest and arraignment of Sibley in his skyjacking caper.

In a similar vein, Larry has few theories of what happened or why. He barely follows the case, and said laconically that he had heard that DB Cooper probably landed in some trees. ""I guess he died from that."

But he still has some emotion talking about how DB Cooper threatened a lot of people on Flight 305. "DB Cooper... caused a lot of heartache for people on that plane. Would they ever see their loved ones, again. Things like that. Thank God I was... unscathed. But the case has no special meaning for me."

Although born and raised in Seattle, Larry now lives in Arizona and Israel besides maintaining his home and private law practice in Seattle.

He is also very aware and concerned with malfeasance within the FBI and the criminal justice system. We spoke at length about the Innocence Project and matters related to the evidentiary problems at the FBI's National Crime Lab.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #959 on: April 17, 2016, 08:27:58 PM »
Nice post..2 passengers in two days  8)