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Shutter · « **Reply #840 on:** September 29, 2015, 09:49:49 PM »

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I did not ask him. We are sending emails back and forth. I will work it into the conversation. I already asked what his interpretation of "older" was and he has not replied.

Cool beans....

I'm more interested in what he thinks of her sketch....

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #841 on:** September 30, 2015, 09:21:34 AM »

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Mitchell thought the FBI sketch wasn't accurate, Cooper looked older, dumpy, not style conscious, "turkey gobble" neck.

Many regard the FBI sketch as a near photograph of Cooper. It could be waaaay off base. Mitchell doesn't think its a good match. Just sayin...

When I did criminal defense work I saw composites that eyewitnesses confidently verified. In some cases they proved to be WILDLY inaccurate. height, weight, eye color, all wrong.

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This reminds me of an interview I saw of a Titanic survivor, circa the 1970s. It was Eva Hart I believe. She was explaining how from her lifeboat she saw the ship split in half as it was sinking. The then president of the Titanic Historical Society interrupted her and said something along the lines of “What Mrs. Hart means to say is, to her, it looked like the Titanic split in two, but we know that that actually did not happen.”

The survivor glared at the guy with a “Hey, I was there!” look on her face. The Titanic was found a few years later and we all know how that turned out.

Composite sketch A was created by the stewardesses looking through a book with different head shapes, eyes, noses and mouths, and then selecting the closest ones to what they remember. This happened within a few days of the hijacking, while their memories were still fresh. The FBI sketch artist completed the sketch and then went back to the witnesses again to get a consensus that this is what the suspect looked like.

Is composite sketch A like a photograph of the Cooper suspect? Probably not. Does it contain accurate features of the Cooper suspect? Very likely. It’s really too bad that we won’t know how accurate the sketches are until the case is solved (if ever).

EVickiW · « **Reply #842 on:** September 30, 2015, 12:23:28 PM »

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I did not ask him. We are sending emails back and forth. I will work it into the conversation. I already asked what his interpretation of "older" was and he has not replied.

Cool beans....

I'm more interested in what he thinks of her sketch....

I asked Bill Mitchell the following questions via email:

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When you said Tina was giving all her attention to this "old geeky guy" How old did you think he was?

Bill's response: "My recollection was that I put him at the old age of 35 to 40.. but not 100% sure on that."

and...the question on Florence Schaffner's sketch:

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Did you ever see the DB Cooper episode of Unsolved Mysteries?

Florence Shaffner appeared and a new sketch was done to her recollection. It is different from the original FBI sketches and shows a double chin/thick neck.

I attached it. What do you think?

Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

Shutter · « **Reply #843 on:** September 30, 2015, 01:53:37 PM »

I'm wondering how much of Cooper he really seen?

georger · « **Reply #844 on:** September 30, 2015, 02:47:58 PM »

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I did not ask him. We are sending emails back and forth. I will work it into the conversation. I already asked what his interpretation of "older" was and he has not replied.

Cool beans....

I'm more interested in what he thinks of her sketch....

I asked Bill Mitchell the following questions via email:
Quote
When you said Tina was giving all her attention to this "old geeky guy" How old did you think he was?

Bill's response: "My recollection was that I put him at the old age of 35 to 40.. but not 100% sure on that."

and...the question on Florence Schaffner's sketch:
Quote
Did you ever see the DB Cooper episode of Unsolved Mysteries?

Florence Shaffner appeared and a new sketch was done to her recollection. It is different from the original FBI sketches and shows a double chin/thick neck.

I attached it. What do you think?

Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

Mitchell says he was shown a lot of photos (of potential suspects).

He previously said he engaged the agents in conversation about the photos he was being shown, and somebody told him 'a lot of these photos are of people in the Eugene area'.

True or False?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #845 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:51:55 PM »

I never heard the "in the Eugene area" bit, regarding the pix the FBI showed to Bill.

Yes, Bill said that he viewed a lot of photographs. He told me that the FBI came to him at least once a week, and sometimes twice, for a year and a half, and every time they came they had at least ten photographs. That's got to be 1,500-2,000 photographs.

The Big Surprise to me about Bill, now, is how un-engaged he is, at times. He obfuscates his experiences so often: "It was so long ago...I can't remember....it's all just bits and pieces of memory...."

Yet, on the phone he was animated, charming and fun. He joked in his phone message, saying he was, "DB Cooper's best friend." Where did that light-heartedness go? I was surprised and disappointed that he folded his tent so quickly when Jo gave him a hard time about Duane's HUGE ears.

Now he seems to be back-tracking away from any sustained dialogue with EVick. Why?

Which begs the question: Why doesn't Bill draw his own picture of DB Cooper? Why doesn't he ask a sketch artist to work with him on a new pix? Why didn't the FBI get a pix from him - why did they try to make composites, too! Everyone seems to be disappointed in them!

Which leads to another question - why does everyone connected with Norjak scamper back into the shadows when we approach them? Alice - hung up the phone on me last month; Florence - no contact with anyone since 2007, Tina- well...

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #846 on:** September 30, 2015, 03:59:01 PM »

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Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

So, here is another tidbit of conflicting testimony.

Bill told me that he "put on his sunglasses as he walked across the tarmac to the plane, and he wasn't surprised when DB put his on." To me, that means he saw DBC put on his sunglasses. So, did DBC take them off before he talked with Flo and then put them back on? Or does Flo have it wrong and the "piercing" brown eyes is just part of her anxiety-laced memory?

MarkBennett · « **Reply #847 on:** September 30, 2015, 05:32:34 PM »

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Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

So, here is another tidbit of conflicting testimony.

Bill told me that he "put on his sunglasses as he walked across the tarmac to the plane, and he wasn't surprised when DB put his on." To me, that means he saw DBC put on his sunglasses. So, did DBC take them off before he talked with Flo and then put them back on? Or does Flo have it wrong and the "piercing" brown eyes is just part of her anxiety-laced memory?

I think you're over thinking this, Bruce. If Mitchell had said he wasn't surprised DBC was "wearing his sunglasses" rather than "put on his sunglasses", you'd think nothing of it. He did tell us he never saw Cooper's eyes because Cooper had his sunglasses on the whole time.

georger · « **Reply #848 on:** September 30, 2015, 11:45:53 PM »

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Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

So, here is another tidbit of conflicting testimony.

Bill told me that he "put on his sunglasses as he walked across the tarmac to the plane, and he wasn't surprised when DB put his on." To me, that means he saw DBC put on his sunglasses. So, did DBC take them off before he talked with Flo and then put them back on? Or does Flo have it wrong and the "piercing" brown eyes is just part of her anxiety-laced memory?

You're wrong - this is not a quote from me .

MarkBennett · « **Reply #849 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:04:44 AM »

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I did not ask him. We are sending emails back and forth. I will work it into the conversation. I already asked what his interpretation of "older" was and he has not replied.

Cool beans....

I'm more interested in what he thinks of her sketch....

I asked Bill Mitchell the following questions via email:
Quote
When you said Tina was giving all her attention to this "old geeky guy" How old did you think he was?

Bill's response: "My recollection was that I put him at the old age of 35 to 40.. but not 100% sure on that."

and...the question on Florence Schaffner's sketch:
Quote
Did you ever see the DB Cooper episode of Unsolved Mysteries?

Florence Shaffner appeared and a new sketch was done to her recollection. It is different from the original FBI sketches and shows a double chin/thick neck.

I attached it. What do you think?

Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

Mitchell says he was shown a lot of photos (of potential suspects).

He previously said he engaged the agents in conversation about the photos he was being shown, and somebody told him 'a lot of these photos are of people in the Eugene area'.

True or False?

Bill said he looked at a lot of photos. He didn't mention the Eugene part when we talked to him that I recall. That doesn't mean he hasn't said that in the past.

georger · « **Reply #850 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:15:30 AM »

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I did not ask him. We are sending emails back and forth. I will work it into the conversation. I already asked what his interpretation of "older" was and he has not replied.

Cool beans....

I'm more interested in what he thinks of her sketch....

I asked Bill Mitchell the following questions via email:
Quote
When you said Tina was giving all her attention to this "old geeky guy" How old did you think he was?

Bill's response: "My recollection was that I put him at the old age of 35 to 40.. but not 100% sure on that."

and...the question on Florence Schaffner's sketch:
Quote
Did you ever see the DB Cooper episode of Unsolved Mysteries?

Florence Shaffner appeared and a new sketch was done to her recollection. It is different from the original FBI sketches and shows a double chin/thick neck.

I attached it. What do you think?

Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

Mitchell says he was shown a lot of photos (of potential suspects).

He previously said he engaged the agents in conversation about the photos he was being shown, and somebody told him 'a lot of these photos are of people in the Eugene area'.

True or False?
Bill said he looked at a lot of photos. He didn't mention the Eugene part when we talked to him that I recall. That doesn't mean he hasn't said that in the past.

I think he made the statement in his WSHM interviews

? I posted about it at the time.

EVickiW · « **Reply #851 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:26:15 AM »

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I never heard the "in the Eugene area" bit, regarding the pix the FBI showed to Bill.

Yes, Bill said that he viewed a lot of photographs. He told me that the FBI came to him at least once a week, and sometimes twice, for a year and a half, and every time they came they had at least ten photographs. That's got to be 1,500-2,000 photographs.

The Big Surprise to me about Bill, now, is how un-engaged he is, at times. He obfuscates his experiences so often: "It was so long ago...I can't remember....it's all just bits and pieces of memory...."

Yet, on the phone he was animated, charming and fun. He joked in his phone message, saying he was, "DB Cooper's best friend." Where did that light-heartedness go? I was surprised and disappointed that he folded his tent so quickly when Jo gave him a hard time about Duane's HUGE ears.

Now he seems to be back-tracking away from any sustained dialogue with EVick. Why?

Which begs the question: Why doesn't Bill draw his own picture of DB Cooper? Why doesn't he ask a sketch artist to work with him on a new pix? Why didn't the FBI get a pix from him - why did they try to make composites, too! Everyone seems to be disappointed in them!

Which leads to another question - why does everyone connected with Norjak scamper back into the shadows when we approach them? Alice - hung up the phone on me last month; Florence - no contact with anyone since 2007, Tina- well...

Probably a result of the film crew. He told me he could not talk about things until the show was broadcast.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #852 on:** October 01, 2015, 02:51:23 AM »

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Anndddd....Drum roll.......His response:
"I don’t believe that I ever saw the episode of Unsolved Mysteries.
I really can’t remember much about DB. 44 years ago.. Plus I never saw him without his sun glasses on. As I said to Tom, I’m not much good on identifying somebody from 44 years ago."

Those were the questions and the answers. I am done bugging him now.

So, here is another tidbit of conflicting testimony.

Bill told me that he "put on his sunglasses as he walked across the tarmac to the plane, and he wasn't surprised when DB put his on." To me, that means he saw DBC put on his sunglasses. So, did DBC take them off before he talked with Flo and then put them back on? Or does Flo have it wrong and the "piercing" brown eyes is just part of her anxiety-laced memory?

You're wrong - this is not a quote from me .

Georger, you are correct. I glitched the erase button on all the quote thingies.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #853 on:** October 01, 2015, 02:54:25 AM »

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Probably a result of the film crew. He told me he could not talk about things until the show was broadcast.

I take that as good news. I trust he will be more forthcoming at that time.

EVickiW · « **Reply #854 on:** October 01, 2015, 09:47:52 AM »

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Probably a result of the film crew. He told me he could not talk about things until the show was broadcast.

I take that as good news. I trust he will be more forthcoming at that time.

I really believe he does not remember things vividly. He looked at a few pictures and just said he could not remember a face, but could remember the small details. He is adamant about the "turkey gobble" and "geeky" features. He told us he wrote a paper in Italian for one of his college writing classes. The teacher read it and pulled him aside and asked if it was really true....it would be great if he still had a copy of it. Can you imagine the information contained in that paper?

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