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snowmman · « **Reply #7215 on:** September 06, 2021, 05:14:47 PM »

while Sheridan said many things to me that were kind of grating/nasty
here's one on 12/4/2018 where he was complimentary.
He could jump from nasty to friendly in a heartbeat. still he was quick to praise also ...complimenting my effort:

"It is truly that of a scholar."

I forget at what point we were at here. but the second half he talks about below was included in the 12/2018 printing. I probably incorporated the extra chapters after this, after our first meeting.
He had the whole book printed out on paper. He paranoiacally claimed the pages were put back in reverse order, indicating someone had read/tampered with it. Someone had helped him with a pdf where they tried to include photos in a word doc. I sorted all that out and adjusted b/w photos for the book. Some are interesting.

I can't imagine that he really started writing it in Nepal. Maybe by hand? never saw anything other than the word doc, which would minimally be post mid-90s.

On 12/4/2018 10:12 PM, freedomlover wrote:
<snowmman>,

It is a magnificent job. A truly magnificent job. And the print is 12 pt. I can't imagine how the other half can be added. And much of it is so important. Take the "Prologue" for example. It is only a page and a quarter; however it tells the reader just how truly stupid the war is. It says so much. I was sitting at a hostess bar on Tu Duc Street. And took note of a conversation between two American civilians. I have boxes of notebooks somewhere maybe.. One day as I was sorting through the notes I came across this. It hit me like a bolt of lightning. This is it I said jumping about the room. These two assholes symbolize the American mentality. They are the worst and the most that we are. Grant Olson is so miserable and so real. His chapters overlap Vic Grecco's. There are things like the paragraph from Thucydides Peloponnesian War 400 B.C. at the beginning, But that's so minimal. It's like pulling a wisdom tooth. Your copy is done so beautifully. Is it possible to overlap Olson and Grecco? It isn't is it. Is it 12pt? It looks as though it might be 14pt. 470 pages. Include Olson and it would be 940 pages. A War & Peace. Good grief! You should sign your name and identity to the Editor's Notes. It is truly that of a scholar. I may have mentioned that I took some "poet's privilege" with parts especially the ending a pledge that Peterson fail to keep. Grecco is Olson's alter ego. The reader will note that Olson is unfathomable and contradictory. Olson II is an inter-struggle that many have felt with to some degree , but I don't believe ever manifested in such depth.

After you have read Grant Olson we should come to some solution.

Sheridan

Sheridan was very aware of his personality failings. We had exchanged a lot of email before our first face to face meeting. Before that meeting he warned me. It was difficult juggling a sympathetic view of an old man, and someone would could be downright mean.

On 12/4/2018 6:49 PM, freedomlover wrote:
Okay! Should I post you on my behavior, an inferiority complex? Or perhaps you may know.? I am constantly trying to prove to people that I am not inferior while I know all the time that I am. I appear condescending and overbearing. Not a pretty picture.
Sheridan

interesting, just noticed he had this comment in the above. He refers to Peterson himself. Typically he refers to the two character names. The "pledge", I thought, had to do something about a vietnamese elder he says he saw burned...But it was all kind of "Gravity's Rainbow" ..everything was interwoven with other things.

I took some "poet's privilege" with parts especially the ending a pledge that Peterson fail to keep.

snowmman · « **Reply #7216 on:** September 06, 2021, 05:47:14 PM »

Here's a note where Sheridan talks about EU hassling him. You can read this multiple ways...On the one hand I can picture him almost bragging to his psychologist about EU hassling him. But at the same time, it's kind of cringing see that there were negative effects to all this. Still, maybe he liked the attention. Who knows.
I don't think he was ever "soaked with Agent Orange". Stuff like that, mixed with other real stuff, always made it hard to know what to believe. Or "hundreds of passengers".

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 16:57 freedomlover <freedomlover@xxxx> wrote:
<snowmman>,

Tomorrow my VA Primary Care RN visits me. He rarely comes. He and I don't see things in the same light. I am always quoting from Public Citizen's Worst Pill, Best Pill. It bruises his ego. However I rarely see him, So it is very important that I see him tomorrow. The FDA just signed off on a blood test that can identifies cancer before they get out of control. As you know I was soaked countless times with the deadly dioxide Agent Orange, and he is the only one who will work with me on that. He is interested in the test. So any day but tomorrow.

The psychologist like most people can't stay focused for Long. I gave her Eric's letter to read. I had to point out to her that he condoned me as D.B. for taking a bomb aboard a 727 and threatening to blow the plane up along with hundreds of passengers. Eric congratulated me. She really wasn't focus. Eric has a criminal's mentality, I pointed out. Why aren't highly educated people any longer focused. That problem isn't just among Americans. I found it so in Japan. But the Chinese are very focused. I assume that the drug is TV.

snowmman · « **Reply #7217 on:** September 06, 2021, 06:14:21 PM »

one thought I had:

No one has recreated a bill in the condition of the Tena Bar bills.
I would think it would be possible to create a bill (with fungi/mildew) damage, with knowledge of the right cellulose attaching microbes.

I have some twenties from 1963A and 1969. I was wondering how I could make them look "Tena Bar-like" in less than a year. Constantly damp yes. Buried in sand? probably not. Maybe buried in earth with active fungi. Not too deep?

and that it would take less than a year to create such a bill, with controlled environment. I can't imagine that the cooper bills would take years to reach their state if I want to reproduce. The fungi growth must stop at some point, like if environmental conditions no longer support the fungi/mildew.... Because note that the fungi growth didn't continue on the bill after discovery. So moisture, and maybe non-O2 environment (plus the right microbes) is needed.

Tom Kaye talked about how anaerobic conditions were a bad thing. But maybe not. There are many microorganisms tha t actually don't like oxygen.
"Cellulolytic fungi" I think is the magic phrase
US Army studied this to understand why fatigues and cotton tents were rotting away

See the "Hungate Roll Tube method for cultivation of Strict Anaerobes"
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Robert E. Hungate – Grandfather of Anaerobic Microbiology
by Jonathan Lin

Louis Pasteur once said, "Fermentation is life without air." Although many microbes need the oxygen in the air to live, not all of them benefit from it. There are many bacteria that thrive in oxygen-depleted (anoxic) environments such as sediments, sludge, and the guts of animals. Many of these bacteria, the anaerobes, are extremely sensitive to oxygen (see this previous post ) and instead 'breathe' by using a myriad of other compounds as electron acceptors (see here). Historically, it has been difficult to study anaerobes in the lab because the oxygen in the air would stress and often kill them. The development of methods to grow anaerobes was an important stepping stone in microbiology, one that paved the way for the discovery of many new bacteria and radically changed our understanding of microbial metabolism. Many of these discoveries could not have been possible without the pioneering work of Robert E. Hungate. Affectionately referred to as "Mr. Rumen" or even "Bob" by his students and colleagues, Hungate was the first to develop refined methods to grow strict anaerobes. Accordingly, he dedicated his career to advance new techniques to culture and study anaerobes in anoxic environments. The "Hungate technique" is widely known and used in many labs today, but I believe that his life and scientific impact deserve greater appreciation by today's young microbiologists.

Hungate's original paper is here (1973)
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Chaucer · « **Reply #7218 on:** September 06, 2021, 06:59:01 PM »

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one thought I had:

No one has recreated a bill in the condition of the Tena Bar bills.
I would think it would be possible to create a bill (with fungi/mildew) damage, with knowledge of the right cellulose attaching microbes.

I have some twenties from 1963A and 1969. I was wondering how I could make them look "Tena Bar-like" in less than a year. Constantly damp yes. Buried in sand? probably not. Maybe buried in earth with active fungi. Not too deep?

and that it would take less than a year to create such a bill, with controlled environment. I can't imagine that the cooper bills would take years to reach their state if I want to reproduce. The fungi growth must stop at some point, like if environmental conditions no longer support the fungi/mildew.... Because note that the fungi growth didn't continue on the bill after discovery. So moisture, and maybe non-O2 environment (plus the right microbes) is needed.

Tom Kaye talked about how anaerobic conditions were a bad thing. But maybe not. There are many microorganisms tha t actually don't like oxygen.
"Cellulolytic fungi" I think is the magic phrase
US Army studied this to understand why fatigues and cotton tents were rotting away

See the "Hungate Roll Tube method for cultivation of Strict Anaerobes"
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Robert E. Hungate – Grandfather of Anaerobic Microbiology
by Jonathan Lin

Louis Pasteur once said, "Fermentation is life without air." Although many microbes need the oxygen in the air to live, not all of them benefit from it. There are many bacteria that thrive in oxygen-depleted (anoxic) environments such as sediments, sludge, and the guts of animals. Many of these bacteria, the anaerobes, are extremely sensitive to oxygen (see this previous post ) and instead 'breathe' by using a myriad of other compounds as electron acceptors (see here). Historically, it has been difficult to study anaerobes in the lab because the oxygen in the air would stress and often kill them. The development of methods to grow anaerobes was an important stepping stone in microbiology, one that paved the way for the discovery of many new bacteria and radically changed our understanding of microbial metabolism. Many of these discoveries could not have been possible without the pioneering work of Robert E. Hungate. Affectionately referred to as "Mr. Rumen" or even "Bob" by his students and colleagues, Hungate was the first to develop refined methods to grow strict anaerobes. Accordingly, he dedicated his career to advance new techniques to culture and study anaerobes in anoxic environments. The "Hungate technique" is widely known and used in many labs today, but I believe that his life and scientific impact deserve greater appreciation by today's young microbiologists.

Hungate's original paper is here (1973)
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I'm not even sure what type of science would be the best to discuss currency decomposition.

snowmman · « **Reply #7219 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:03:37 PM »

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I'm not even sure what type of science would be the best to discuss currency decomposition.

Me neither. In a fantasy, I was thinking Jonathin Lin, the author of that biography would tell me.

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I am a microbial ecologist studying biodiversity-function relationships in terrestrial carbon cycling. I use next generation sequencing techniques to better understand the metabolic diversity and functional traits of microbes stratified in soil aggregates.

this conclusion by Tom Kaye seems wrong, and betrays a lack of knowledge about microorganisms, I think. (i.e. that some mechanisms are anaerobic)

The money removed from the burial test after 33 months showed almost no degradation (Fig. 6). Damage to the edges was mostly shrinkage and contraction from drying out. This suggests the bills need a bio-active, oxygenated environment to induce bacterial breakdown of the paper.

Tom pursued a thought about money burial and got no results that matched the Tena Bar results.

It raises the question: "How do you create Tena-Bar-like money?"
and
What is the minimal time period to create duplicate money?

These two sentences by Tom Kaye seem like bad science. Don't think what he did supports what he says here. You have to create the result, to have any scientific fact. He didn't do that.

Experimental Fact: Experimental burial of bundled dollar bills in sand for 33 months showed almost no decomposition.
Interpretation: The Cooper money had been buried in the sand for an extended period of time to account for the observed level of decomposition.

Chaucer · « **Reply #7220 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:22:36 PM »

Here's an interesting and relevent site:

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Some interesting quotes:

"...we reached out to Douglas Cobb, a paper scientist and forensic paper examiner, to tell us just how long cash might last..."

"If you just dug a hole and tossed the money in without protection, Cobb says the money would become a food source for bugs and worms. “Money is made from 75 percent cotton and 25 percent linen fibers — often called ragstock or rag paper — while most paper is made from cellulose fibers from trees,” Cobb explains, adding that those critters in the ground would make a pretty hearty meal out of that, so you might find the cash reduced to nothing with 10 or even five years."

"Once money gets wet or moist, it will start to mold within as little as 200 days,” Cobb says."

"Now, money is designed to get wet, which is why if you accidentally wash the cash in your pocket, the money survives. “Money contains a lot of ‘wet strength,’ a chemical that’s added during the manufacture of the paper,” Cobb says. “Wet strength adds strength to paper when it’s exposed to water and moisture.” The fact that it’s made of cotton and linen — and not typical paper — is also part of the reason it’ll last, and Cobb adds that cash is also “pressed under thousands of pounds of pressure, which further strengthens the bonding, and adds that crispness to new money.”

"Still, “wet strength” won’t protect Buscemi’s stash forever, as Cobb notes, “the degradation process will accelerate as soon as the weather warms up, and since the money is bound in stacks, the outer bills will decay much faster, while the inner bills will be somewhat protected. The money will remain moist or wet for a long time, even if not sitting in water, and it will continue to degrade.” He expects that within a few years, those outer bills won’t be salvageable, but the inner bills may last a few decades thanks to less moisture and less exposure to mold spores in the air."

Would love this guy to look at the Cooper bills and form an opinion.

snowmman · « **Reply #7221 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:34:56 PM »

yeah that guy sounded like forensic paper analysis was his job.
i mentioned him a bit back.

his home page
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Chaucer · « **Reply #7222 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:36:54 PM »

Ah, sorry. I didn’t read to get caught up.

snowmman · « **Reply #7223 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:43:50 PM »

here's an article and photo about a woman who buried money beneath her kitchen.
4 years later, it was all decomposed. Picture I think is of the money.

chinese money may be different material.
but just seems like Kaye didn't bury in the right environment. Shouldn't be a matter of "time" like Kaye said

Note plastic bag and metal box.

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An elderly woman in Eastern China who buried 100,000 yuan (HK$120,000) beneath her kitchen four years ago recently dug it up to use for her son’s wedding only to the notes had decomposed, news portal Jschina.com reports.

The woman’s son said his mother sealed the money in a plastic bag and put it in an metal box before burying it. Yet the banknotes were clumped and crumbled into pieces when they were handled.
“This is almost all of my parents’ life savings,” said the man, who lives in Muyang county. “They can’t accept what’s happened. So I want to go to banks and see if they have any solution.”

snowmman · « **Reply #7224 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:53:29 PM »

Nice video from the "Mutilated Currency Division" that reimburses for damaged money

"the most challenging cases are usually cases that the money has gotten wet and sat for long periods of times and it'll actually petrify and be solid as a brick"

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also nice pic of apparenty fire-damaged money, with rubber bands around them
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Chaucer · « **Reply #7225 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:54:26 PM »

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yeah that guy sounded like forensic paper analysis was his job.
i mentioned him a bit back.

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Have you tried reaching out to him for an opinion on the Cooper cash? If not, I will.

snowmman · « **Reply #7226 on:** September 06, 2021, 07:56:20 PM »

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yeah that guy sounded like forensic paper analysis was his job.
i mentioned him a bit back.

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Have you tried reaching out to him for an opinion on the Cooper cash? If not, I will.

I've not. Yeah, thru an email at him and see what happens.

Chaucer · « **Reply #7227 on:** September 06, 2021, 08:02:41 PM »

I will. I’ve also been looking for a hydrologist who works on the Columbia. I’ve found a couple but none interested in speaking about the Cooper case.

snowmman · « **Reply #7228 on:** September 06, 2021, 08:06:45 PM »

interesting. diatoms (some) occur in soil. I wonder if the cooper bill diatoms are definitely not soil diatoms?

Although most diatom species occur in aquatic habitats, specific diatom communities occur in soil where they grow with other microalgae and cyanobacteria. In the soil food web, algae serve as food for soil protozoa and micro- and meio-fauna such as nematodes or collembolans.

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Diatoms are a widespread group and can be found in the oceans, in fresh water, in soils, and on damp surfaces.

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(1956)
A Survey of Soil Diatoms
By JOHN M. w. HAYEK AND ROBERT L. HULBARY
Although extensive work is being done in stream surveys and
in the taxonomic study of aquatic forms of diatoms, very few
papers have appeared relative to diatoms in soil. Petersen ( 1935)
made stud.ies of algae in soils of Denmark and East Greenland
in which he included a consideration of the diatoms present.
Thirty-seven species of diatoms were listed as being present in the
soils of Denmark and East Greenland.

The work of J. W. G. Lund ( 1945, 1946) seems to be the only
fairly complete study of soil diatoms He reported 13 genera and
52 species from his observations of 66 British soils.

This investigation was undertaken to determine qualitatively
the complement of diatom species in six different soils in the
vicinity of Iowa City, Iowa. Separating diatoms from the various
soils and deaning them presented

dudeman17 · « **Reply #7229 on:** September 06, 2021, 09:26:38 PM »

Jump boots ("Aww, yer muddah wears French Paraboots!") -

Don't hold me to this because it's been a long time, but yeah, what you've pictured is what I remember, with that fine ribbed sole. I also seem to remember some with smooth flat soles, but they may have just been old and worn smooth. I don't remember any with more aggressive military or Vibram hiking type soles. I think the idea was that jumping rounds you were likely going to be doing a PLF, which might involve a bit of turning/twisting, and a more aggressive sole might impede that and contribute to a sprained ankle or such.

I never had any of those. Worn out flip flops with a rubber band around yer toe was more my speed. Since becoming an instructor I'm usually contractually obligated to wear shoes, so I always have an old pair of sneakers I can slide on. But if I'm on more than a 20 minute call, those damnable things come off and I'm back to my natural state of barefoot.

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Those 727 Thailand jump tests -

A couple things of note - When the container opens, you can see that the bagged canopy gets blown/sucked up to the tail by the airflow. That could be a potential snag issue. Looks like they're using a direct-bag static line system. If they used a pilot chute assist type of static line it would get the deploying canopy a bit farther away from the airplane, but then the pilot chute itself might become the snag point, so a longer static line would help. I think longer static lines on direct-bag types might contribute to line twists. It also looks to me like a pretty stiff opening shock. It looks okay through line stretch, but once the canopy starts to inflate they get yanked pretty hard. And that's a main type canopy. The bailout rig that Cooper used is a reserve, and as such is designed and packed to open pretty quickly, because in normal use you don't know how low a pilot might be when he needs it. If Cooper had just pulled the ripcord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, I think it would have snapped the snot out of him. It's rare, but people have been injured and even killed from hard opening shocks.

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In your posts about Air America a few pages back, there is a name that is familiar to me. If it's the same guy, but knowing a bit about his background it may well be. Would be interesting if it's the same guy R99 is referring to.

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