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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7110 on: August 31, 2021, 04:51:04 AM »
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I don't know why georger is down on ocr.
Nowdays, modern ocr creates another text layer on top of the image layer in a pdf.
that way, it's easy to see errors.

I use tesseract (not adobe) for ocr of the fbi docs. When the fbi docs first came out, I was using ABBY Finereader (software from guys in Russia...they created it (partly) to to recreate russian official forms etc from paper copies)

then pdfgrep to look for stuff.
all linux stuff. (open source)

It's amazing the power of free software and cheap computers and fast storage nowadays.

Still processing serial numbers for fbi bill list. took a break from that for a bit, but chugging along.

My comment was this website went down ... when I was replying to R99 on the topic of ocr. Not that I was down on ocr  ?  :

OCR software Snow has mentioned :::::
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« Reply #7111 on: August 31, 2021, 11:11:46 AM »
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I don't know why georger is down on ocr.
Nowdays, modern ocr creates another text layer on top of the image layer in a pdf.
that way, it's easy to see errors.

I use tesseract (not adobe) for ocr of the fbi docs. When the fbi docs first came out, I was using ABBY Finereader (software from guys in Russia...they created it (partly) to to recreate russian official forms etc from paper copies)

then pdfgrep to look for stuff.
all linux stuff. (open source)

It's amazing the power of free software and cheap computers and fast storage nowadays.

Still processing serial numbers for fbi bill list. took a break from that for a bit, but chugging along.

My comment was this website went down ... when I was replying to R99 on the topic of ocr. Not that I was down on ocr  ?  :

OCR software Snow has mentioned :::::

Georger: I'm replying to an older post of yours that I can't track down right now.  You mentioned the Unabomber and his manifesto.  I seem to remember you and I having a fairly civil back and forth on the Unabomber show on Netflix, specifically related to the use of forensic linguistics in solving that case.  Your recent post mentioned that Cooper was different than the Unabomber in the sense that he did not write a manifesto.  That got me thinking.  Why does a guy like Ted Kaczynski write a manifesto, but not DB Cooper? My thoughts are this.  1. Maybe he did write one (the letters to the newspapers in Portland, maybe the letter to Max Gunther, etc.).  But what I'm really thinking is that Cooper had a family and he got away with his crime, and he did not want to get caught.  He may have wanted to explain his actions, but maybe he was patient and just decided not to.  Ted Kaczynkski wanted the world to know who he was.  Anyhow, in summary, I kind of wonder if there is a behavioral clue here about Cooper in that he did not tell anyone?  Was it so he would not get caught?  Didn't need the attention? Really didn't have a cause?  Hard to say I guess.  Kacynski didn't have much to live for and people to protect.  Did Cooper's wife tell him to just let it go?  It is still fascinating to me that a guy can pull a stunt like this and never tell a soul.  He must have been laughing inside.

I still highly recommend the Unabomber show on Netflix for folks.



 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7112 on: August 31, 2021, 08:59:01 PM »
Vietnam War Sport Parachute Club Saigon Patch
Hand made in Vietnam. front and back.
 

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« Reply #7113 on: August 31, 2021, 09:04:01 PM »
from a collector of patches (also, found a picture of the 1967 Saigon club members..another post)

During the Vietnam war there was at least two sport parachuting clubs operating in South Vietnam although I have patches in my collection that indicates there may have been as many as three.

attached pics.

here's some info about a club not yet mentioned:

The club represented by this last patch is a complete mystery to me. Cap Saint-Jacques was the French Indochinese name for Vũng Tàu, which during the 2nd Indochina War was home to the 1st Australian Logistics Support Group as well as various US military units. It was also a popular in-country R&R destination during the war so it does seem logical that a skydiving club may have existed there. However, I cannot find any record of this club existing during the war and none of the Australian veterans I have asked about it have any recollection of a parachute club being located there. The spelling of Cap Saint-Jacques as Cape St-Jacques on the patch suggests to me that it is post French era and my best guess is that it may be an earlier club that had folded by the mid 1960’s when the military presence started to build up in the area, but this is speculation on my part.

 

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« Reply #7114 on: August 31, 2021, 09:07:58 PM »
Members of the Saigon Sport Parachute Club circa 1967 (with a picture of Sheridan)
Note that the banner they're holding is a version of the club patch (prior post)

Do you know who the big guy 2nd in from the viewer's right is ?
I think it's Sheridan. (based on all the other pics of Sheridan from that era)
Note he's not wearing the green fatigues like the others.


now the cooper nuts may notice the black sunglasses on the young guy in the center. :)

Was researching Ray Duffy more (president of the club). He was the National Overall Champion at the 1965 Championships at the Orange Sport Parachuting Center. (Army Golden Knight also). I think Orange was Orange, MA ??
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« Reply #7115 on: August 31, 2021, 11:25:51 PM »
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Members of the Saigon Sport Parachute Club circa 1967 (with a picture of Sheridan)
Note that the banner they're holding is a version of the club patch (prior post)

Do you know who the big guy 2nd in from the viewer's right is ?
I think it's Sheridan. (based on all the other pics of Sheridan from that era)
Note he's not wearing the green fatigues like the others.


now the cooper nuts may notice the black sunglasses on the young guy in the center. :)

Was researching Ray Duffy more (president of the club). He was the National Overall Champion at the 1965 Championships at the Orange Sport Parachuting Center. (Army Golden Knight also). I think Orange was Orange, MA ??

pushed it a bit for you ...
 

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« Reply #7116 on: September 01, 2021, 12:22:52 AM »
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pushed it a bit for you ...
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Thanks, georger.
one thing I was noticing in that pic (admittedly not a great pic for detail)...but that it's hard to tell the color of the eyes for most people in the picture. Just interesting to think about what it takes to be able to discern eye color.
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« Reply #7117 on: September 01, 2021, 02:21:05 AM »
Hector Aponte (who was one of the early jumpers to jump off El Cap, in 1979) posted the pic of Saigon Sport Parachute Club. Not sure if Hector is still alive. REALLY interesting he returned from vietnam, kept jumping and eventually even jumped El Cap. 377 will be very jealous. I sent 377 pics of Hector's El Cap jump in 1979.

Hector posted this request for info in 2017. I'll see if I can find him. Be cool if he remembers Sheridan.
This post accompanied the picture he took of the group, above.

There were a lot of kick-ass guys in the club. Duffy, etc. He mentiones Horn who had posted some names of people in the club elsewhere (I reposted his list previously).

Hector provides the extra info that Hasenfus (iran/contra) was  D-1569. Impressive early D. (569 was a typo corrected by another jumper)

Hector Aponte
October 10, 2017  ·
I have been checking out some old photos and stories on this site for a while. I thought I had a few old photos hidden somewhere and found several that brought back memories that I might share with some ol timers.

In 1967, I was checking out the airborne training facility in Saigon when I came across the sign you see in the photo.  I started asking questions as soon as I saw it.  I wanted to know if there was really a skydiving group and how to contact them (after all, we were in a war zone and things were heating up).  I ran into a couple of Vietnamese jumpers who introduced me to the American guys who ran the “club”. I was quickly invited to join them. 

I showed up the next weekend early enough to help load a bunch of old B 4s, reserves and other stuff in trucks and jeeps. As soon as everyone showed up, we drove to Ap Dong.  That was a small village south west of Saigon.  By the time we arrived, our Vietnamese Army pilots had their CH 34s ready to go.

We would check out the gear, suit up and load up.  On the way up, we would put out a couple of static line guys who just wanted to maintain their airborne status. The rest of us continued to climb and exit at various altitudes based on experience and expertise. We would jump until all the crappy gear was used.  After that, we packed up and headed back to Saigon. 

We would follow a good day of jumping with a good party (just like we used to do at Pope Valley).  The “Company” boys would provide food, drinks and invite a few locals to join us.

We repeated this a few times while I was there.  It was fairly difficult to get a large group together as all of us moved all over the country as required by our missions. It was even more difficult for me to get to know all they guys as we did not work together on a regular basis. 

However, this much I know, these were some bad-ass dudes. They were officers, sergeants,, platoon leaders and “civilians” guys leading men into some though combat missions.  The company guys were doing some incredible stuff behind the scenes...that’s what they do.  They were all hardcore warriors.

The reason I decided to post on this site is really quite simple.  I have always wondered about the group.  I would like to know who made it back.  Obviously, my wish is that everyone of them made it back home with minimal loss of brain cells. I would like to know if any of them continued skydiving etc.  I think this site is the best mechanism for finding those answers.. 

The group photo was taken at the Vietnamese Ranger school in Saigon in 1967 (50 years ago..wow!  I am in the front on the right holding up the club sign. 

I remember some of the last names and found some signatures and license numbers in my first log book.

These are some of the names of the guys who were there or at least talked about. Bowling C-3134, Captain Flynn D-190, E. Hassenfus D-569, Richard Hartman?? D-436.  Guiesler, Horn and Beckwith.  I am D2597.  Having D 190 or D436 and D569 back in 1967, now that’s impressive.

If you are one of the guys in the photo, I want you to know that it was a blast doing what we did even in the worst of circumstances. I want the families of those who are no longer with us to know that it was an absolute honor to have served with them.
Sincerely,
Hector Aponte


Comments from other old jumpers in response to the above post:

Dick Williams
Hector, Phil Lee jumped with us in Korea 1976-78. I last saw him in the Washington DC area in 1983. He retired a full Colonel. A good guy.


Jim Vallender
Eugene Hasenfus is D-1569 not 569. D-436 is Richard Harman and D-190 is Phillip Flynn

Dick Hale
@Hector, Did you know Ken Herschberg ?
 
Hector Aponte
No I did not. Was he in country at the same time?
 
Dick Hale
Hector Aponte Worked for SRI, Through Eddie Brown I got him 8 multi color 28's for the Saigon Sport Parachute Club. They had to be unmodifed, as NEW. No containers, just canopies.
 
Dick Hale
Kinney was a Calif. jumper with a low D# 2 or 3 didget. Canopies had to be be MULTI COLOR.

Dick Hale
In the late 60's I shipped dozens of Multi Colors to the Saigon Parachute Club. No white, No candy stripe only Multi Color 28 foot. No mods. No harnesses. Musta been their club colors.
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7118 on: September 01, 2021, 02:32:27 AM »
Bob Cassella says
Harry Fostervold's (D-1488) article on the Saigon Sport Parachute Club appeared in a '69 Parachutist [article]

Pic of Dan Bonfig...at one time President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, Chief Rigger.
Sheridan had a beef with him about something. Young guy in this pic

"On Easter Sunday 1969...some of the jumpers had a Reunion, Hail and Farewell party...

The club, which was very active up until the TET offensive of 1968, has not been able to get aircraft support since then. Previously CH-34 helicopters from the Vietnamese Army were used almost every Sunday morning to drop the members of the Saigon club ......Don Bonfig, a US civilian has devoted much of his free time keeping track of jumpers in Vietnam and has been constantly trying to get the Club in the air again, in addition to using his abilities as a rigger to maintain all the Club's gear."


Sheridan's name is listed in the club, but not at the party
party members of club:
Bob Harris
Terry Morin
Duncan Kinnard
Bill Herbert
Ken McMillan
Ed Burran
Dan Sweeney
Bob Lanham
Bob Murphy
Herb Huston
Johnny Johnson
Dan Bonfig
Harold Fostervold

Not able to make party but old club members
Gene Hasenfus
Sheridan Peterson
Don Anderson
Bob Smith
 
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #7119 on: September 01, 2021, 02:42:42 PM »
Here's a new word for everyone:
"foxing"

preservationists use it to describe the brown stains you see on old paper.
They are still not sure of it's cause...Most seem to say it's fungal. But it could be due to iron oxide.
There have been many studies

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with some background info (there are many other studies, including with SEM)

I believe the brown stains we see on the Ingram money can be called "foxing" and might yield info ..i.e. how long does it take for foxing to appear on currency.

I was musing that the size of the mildew holes might also provide info about age (for instance, in a constant humidity environment, do the holes grow until the bill is fully consumed, or do other factors stop the mildew growth, once started?)


from that link on foxing

Factors favoring growth and/or color formation

Relative Humidity (RH)
There is no minimum degree of RH for growth of all fungi as the level varies not only with the genus but with the species as well (Beckwith et al. 1940, 311-313). The more hygroscopic the material (i.e. paper vs. leather) the lower the room RH can be in order to permit microbial growth (Gallo 1963, 59). It is important to remember that a micro-climate, vastly different from the overall room RH, can exist within the paper's structure. Unsized tissues, for example, interleaved into books may absorb and retain water over a long period of time creating localized high humidity relative to atmosphere; this could enable fungus to develop even when surrounding RH is below 75%. Fungal hyphae may transport water from higher to lower areas of RH, perhaps centimeters away [RK].

Most research directed at microbial growth on paper shows that below 70-75% RH the chances of growth for many "paper-attacking species" of fungi is low. Arai found that below 75% RH, germination of mold spores of the type isolated from foxed spots is unlikely to occur. Interestingly Arai also found that 84% relative humidity induced growth better than 94% RH, though this is specific to the particular fungi he isolated (Arai et al. 1990, 805). Beckwith et al. also found that below 75% they could not produce any fungal growth with the particular species they cultured (Beckwith et al. 1940, 313). In contrast to this, Nol et al. found three strains, previously isolated from foxed spots, which grew at 55% to 93.5-96% RH. Two of these strains also grew at 32.5% RH. However, foxing or coloration occurred only with one strain under RH conditions ranging from 32.5% to 96% (Nol et al. 1983, 24). Corte, Ferroni, et al in 2003 note collection environments should stay in the range of 40-60% RH to best avoid development of microorganisms and presentation of foxing marks ( Corte, Ferroni, et al. 2003, 172).

Temperature
Each species has its optimum temperature for growth. Generally, it has been found that growth increases with increasing temperature and decreases with decreasing temperature. Excessive heat kills most fungi and steam is a standard means of sterilizing cultures in lab procedures.

pH
All research has shown that foxing stains are more acidic than the surrounding paper (see, for example, Arai 1980; Hey 1983; Iiams and Beckwith 1935).

Arai's research suggests that the presence of amino acids is necessary when inducing foxing and that increasing the concentration the of amino acids results in darker brown spots (Arai et al. 1990).

Nutrients
Fungi may find nutrients in one or more of the following.

Cellulose
While some researchers insist that cellulose is not damaged in foxed areas (Meynell and Newsam 1979, 567), others have shown conclusively that fungi digest the cellulose (Cain 1983, 16 and Nol et al. 1983, 23).
Sizings and Adhesives
Because they saw no damage to fibers, Meynell and Newsam claim foxing feeds on gelatin size, not on the cellulose (Meynell and Newsam 1978, 467). However, observations have also been made that fungi prefer more hygroscopic, unsized papers to those that are sized (Meynell and Newsam 1978, 468; Gallo 1963, 58).
Investigation into the influence of fillers and sizes on fungal growth and its production of acids found the following: gelatin, starch and dextrins promoted growth and color production (Beckwith et al. 1940, 3307). There was less acid production by fungi feeding on casein and rosin than with starch or cellulose alone.

Oils
Either from the medium of printing ink in a text or that transferred to paper by readers' or handlers' hands (Meynell and Newsam 1978, 467).

Micro-dust

Light Intensity
Generally, the growth rates for most fungi are not sensitive to light intensity. However, no study has been made of the relationship of foxing stains to light.
"Examination of a 1896 thirty-four volume set of Balzac's works on laid cotton paper found 'snowflake' fungal foxing in circulated volumes no different from that present in 1896 uncirculated, unopened volumes. Previously uncut pages were slit in the dark and examined in the first light exposure in nearly ninety years. Apparently dark storage produced the same pattern, color, and frequency of foxing as occasional exposure to light (Cain, Stanley and Roberts 1987, 24).

Metal-Induced Degradation
"Cellulose is directly oxidized catalytically in the presence of iron, copper, and cobalt compounds, and the reaction is most rapid at high humidities" (Tang 1978, 19). Metal impurities in paper, specifically iron and copper, are believed to result from particles abraded from the metal equipment and/or from contaminated water used in the papermaking process. Additionally, all wood-pulp paper may be expected to contain iron, as it is naturally present in wood (Beckwith et al. 1940, 302).

"In 'bullseye' copper-or iron-induced foxing the role of these two metals is probably that of oxidative catalyst. Both metals can undergo reversible oxidation-reduction. For example, they are both found playing such a role in metabolic biochemical reactions. Iron can alternately be oxidized from the +2 (ferrous) state to the +3 (ferric) state and then be reduced back to the +2 state as it plays the role of oxidizer. Copper can do the same between the +1 and +2 states. Thin-layer chromatographic studies show the extracts of 'bullseye' foxed and unfoxed paper to have all or most of the same bands. This further suggests iron and copper act to catalyze (accelerate) the oxidative degradation of paper" (Cain 1983, 15; Cain and Kalasinski 1987, 57). In a tally of metal-induced foxing, analysis showed that twenty-seven were induced by copper and copper alloys to over 200 induced by iron (Cain and Miller 1982, 7).

Iron

Coloration
"The very color of foxing connotes the presence of iron" (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 412). Iron ions create yellow-brown spots and Tang found that "there is a trend for darkness of the foxing spot to increase with increasing iron content; the highest concentration of iron was noted in the center of the spots, with the metal concentration decreasing... as the distance increased from the center" (Tang 1978, 24, 26).

Occurrence
It would be very difficult to find any paper without some degree of iron [MH]. Numerous researchers have identified iron ions within foxing stains and found a significantly greater concentration of iron in the foxed areas compared to surrounding paper (Cain 1983, Cain 1988, Cain and Miller 1982, Cain and Miller 1984, Daniels 1988, Gallo and Hey 1988, Tang 1978, Tang and Troyer 1981). One study, however, found no difference between foxed and unfoxed areas (Press 1976, 29). This was corroborated by Tang, who found that in some foxed papers there was no difference in iron (or other metal ion) concentration (Tang 1978, 28). While concentrations greater than 500 ppm have been identified with undesirable spots, Hey suggests that "if iron is involved it is not its total concentration that is important but rather its availability to participate in reactions or its effective solubility" (Tang 1978, 28; Hey 1983, 341).


Form
Research indicates that iron in paper is found entirely in the ferric, rather than ferrous, form (Beckwith et al. 1940, 303).

Activation
Iron will not corrode below 70% RH, but in the presence of ions such as chloride, storage needs to be at 40% RH or lower to avoid corrosion. Hey suggests that "there is a strong chemical possibility that heavy metals present in the paper in a quiescent state will be activated by washing with an acid water, when this is not followed by deacidification" (Hey 1979, 68).

Copper

Daniels and Meeks describe copper-related foxing as varying in size "from small spots with no apparent nucleus and only a brown diffuse discolouration, to large spots of about 5 mm diameter with black dendritic patterns or green corrosion products; these spots include an outer ring of brown discoloured paper" (Daniels and Meeks, n.d., 2). Analysis by EDX revealed that the foxed areas contained copper, zinc, sulfur, and chlorine, while the unfoxed areas "did not have detectable amounts of these elements" (Daniels and Meeks, n.d., 5); see Spot Tests. It was concluded that chloride ions, from original or subsequent bleaching residues, accelerated the corrosion of brass (a copper/zinc alloy) inclusions in the paper. The soluble copper compound was then able to react with hydrogen sulfide generated in the paper or absorbed from the atmosphere. The stain was due to a combination of black copper sulfide and brown copper catalyzed degraded cellulose (Daniels and Meeks, n.d., 8). Tang linked copper concentrations greater than 50 ppm with formation of undesirable spots (Tang 1978, 28).

Condensation
A modification of the cellulose, often visually evident by browning, which takes place at the interface between wet and dry parts of fibrous materials and which is not the result of degradation products being carried and deposited by a spreading liquid. "Experiments suggest that the interaction of air, water and cellulose is responsible for the formation of browning" (Hutchins 1983, 58). This interaction could occur at sites of temporary moisture accumulation in the paper. "Depending on the moisture content of a book, [for example,] it would be possible for uniform discolouration of zones, as well as smaller or larger stains, to develop. All the possible factors that influence condensation and evaporation would play a role in this: humidity, temperature, air pressure, paper porosity, and any irregularities in the paper which could include folds, tears, and dirt particles; even the presence of concentrations of iron or fungus could likewise induce condensation" (Ligterink et al. 1991, 51).

The above authors speculate on the relationship between foxing and other forms of discoloration (text block areas, leaf margins). The link is based on observations of both types of staining (foxing and zonal) appearing together on the same page in many books.

The condensation explanation for browning is a broad view ascribing moisture and cellulose and possibly oxygen as the only necessary ingredients to achieve staining. The presence of fungi and/or metals would act only as attractive sites for moisture and consequent browning.

Multiple Causes
Given the ubiquitous nature of both iron and fungi in paper it is quite possible they often act in tandem. Research appears divided (fungal infection vs. metal-induced degradation), and one must keep in mind, when reviewing each study, whether the presence of a dual cause was fully investigated. Often researchers did not adequately test for iron when they found fungi and vice versa.

A good example of this is the use of the SEM. Where Cain and Miller did not, in one study, find an iron core using SEM and EDX, they successfully located it using narrow beam x-ray fluorescence (see Analytic Instrumentation). Other research, however, has relied on SEM alone to determine that there was no iron (or other metals) present without using other methods to check their results.

As early as 1935, Iiams and Beckwith proposed a dual cause of spot formation: organic acids secreted by the metabolizing fungi react with iron present (even in trace amounts) in the paper to form unstable organic iron salts (organo-ferro compounds) which decompose to form iron oxides and hydroxides i.e. brown/rust coloration (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 414).

Iiams and Beckwith also found that adding a 1:1,000 solution of iron caused fungal growth which "greatly exceeded any that had been produced in the laboratory without the presence of iron in the culture papers" (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 414). Their later research confirmed this as well as showing that iron increases the degree and intensity of the discoloration which accompanies fungal proliferation (Beckwith et al. 1940, 303-306). The resulting brown tint had the color of ferric oxide. The presence of casein, gelatin, and starch add to the discoloring effects of iron.

Hey concurred with Iiams and Beckwith and proposed these dual mechanisms:
1. damp -> mold acid -> activation of iron -> increased acid -> mold death
2. damp -> activation of iron -> increased acidity -> local encouragement of mold -> increased acidity -> death of mold [Hey 1983, 341]


These models suggest that one reason why foxing stains do not cover an entire page might be that the acids secreted by the fungi collect, eventually reducing the pH enough to curtail further fungal growth.
Cain and Miller found that "snowflake" foxing contained a higher iron concentration than the surrounding paper (Cain and Miller 1982, 61). A later study found hyphae and occasional fruiting bodies in all snowflake fungal foxed areas examined (Cain, Stanley and Roberts 1987, 24). This suggests a dual cause.
Fungi use iron and copper as co-enzymes. This means that they are essential elements. After use, the excess may be secreted (perhaps as an altered or activated ion) [RK].


Origin/Occurrence

Related to the Manufacture of Paper
The extent of foxing appears to be in direct proportion to methods used in the manufacture of paper (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 413). It is possible that the potential for foxing is created when the sheet is first made - the foxing only becomes visible later when storage conditions encourage it. Factors include the poor preparation of fibers, impurities in the pulp and the water added to it, and poor bleaching with chlorine. On the other hand, papers manufactured with a high magnesium or calcium carbonate content are less likely to be foxed. It has also been noted that woolen or rayon felts are damaged continually by microbial attack as shown by Sharpely and King. Two species of fungi located in damaged felt fibers are Aspergillus niger and Aspergillus fumigatus, both associated with foxing and noted for their cellulolytic capabilities [EM].


Causes Related to Storage
Ligterink et al. proved that foxing stains found in one particular book arose during storage of the loose sheets prior to binding. They noted that the stain patterns which were not repeated on an adjacent page were sometimes repeated on another page later in the book. By reconstructing the original unfolded, uncut quires it was discovered "that the stain patterns of successive quires matched up if the unfolded sheets were laid on top of each other, and could often be followed down through many sheets in the stack. The storage of these unfolded sheets obviously determined the form of the stains observed which must have therefore arisen before binding" (Literink et al. 1991, 49). Interestingly, the stains were probably not visible at the time of binding as the discolorations are so great in some sheets they would probably have been discarded by the binder (see also Printing Papers). By the same reasoning, book papers which show the same foxing pattern through several adjacent pages indicate the foxing began and became visible after the pages were bound.

Causes Related to Dampness
Research indicates that the internal moisture content of the paper must be at least 10% for fungal growth to occur (Allsop 1985, 59). At 80% RH, paper in general absorbs 9-14% water, with more hygroscopic paper, a lower RH will permit mold growth. Iron alone will not corrode below 70% RH but in the presence of ions such as chloride, papers must be stored at 40% RH or lower to avoid iron corrosion.
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« Reply #7120 on: September 01, 2021, 03:49:52 PM »
A most egregious error in the fbi ransom list (there are others, this one just seemed glaring)

check six interpets this serial to be
L55 315 329H 63A
i.e
L55315329H 63A

but L district definitely had no serials ending in H. The 63A series only had A and B runs for L.
Some districts only had an A run for 63A series.

attached is the snippet showing the supposed "H".  It's weird, the openings seem too large to be a "B" it's most likely correct value. (compare to adjacent "B"s) ...seems like the FBI did a typo transcribing and maybe typed an H

I included a snippet from another page that has an H for comparison. (some H district serials)

the bot blocking stuff on the check six page (I think from microsoft azure cloud) seems to limit me to a long term average of only 1 check per minute. Sucks!  check six says L55315329H 63A is good, when it can't be.
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« Reply #7121 on: September 01, 2021, 03:56:58 PM »
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Here's a new word for everyone:
"foxing"

preservationists use it to describe the brown stains you see on old paper.
They are still not sure of it's cause...Most seem to say it's fungal. But it could be due to iron oxide.
There have been many studies

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with some background info (there are many other studies, including with SEM)

I believe the brown stains we see on the Ingram money can be called "foxing" and might yield info ..i.e. how long does it take for foxing to appear on currency.

I was musing that the size of the mildew holes might also provide info about age (for instance, in a constant humidity environment, do the holes grow until the bill is fully consumed, or do other factors stop the mildew growth, once started?)


from that link on foxing

Factors favoring growth and/or color formation

Relative Humidity (RH)
There is no minimum degree of RH for growth of all fungi as the level varies not only with the genus but with the species as well (Beckwith et al. 1940, 311-313). The more hygroscopic the material (i.e. paper vs. leather) the lower the room RH can be in order to permit microbial growth (Gallo 1963, 59). It is important to remember that a micro-climate, vastly different from the overall room RH, can exist within the paper's structure. Unsized tissues, for example, interleaved into books may absorb and retain water over a long period of time creating localized high humidity relative to atmosphere; this could enable fungus to develop even when surrounding RH is below 75%. Fungal hyphae may transport water from higher to lower areas of RH, perhaps centimeters away [RK].

Most research directed at microbial growth on paper shows that below 70-75% RH the chances of growth for many "paper-attacking species" of fungi is low. Arai found that below 75% RH, germination of mold spores of the type isolated from foxed spots is unlikely to occur. Interestingly Arai also found that 84% relative humidity induced growth better than 94% RH, though this is specific to the particular fungi he isolated (Arai et al. 1990, 805). Beckwith et al. also found that below 75% they could not produce any fungal growth with the particular species they cultured (Beckwith et al. 1940, 313). In contrast to this, Nol et al. found three strains, previously isolated from foxed spots, which grew at 55% to 93.5-96% RH. Two of these strains also grew at 32.5% RH. However, foxing or coloration occurred only with one strain under RH conditions ranging from 32.5% to 96% (Nol et al. 1983, 24). Corte, Ferroni, et al in 2003 note collection environments should stay in the range of 40-60% RH to best avoid development of microorganisms and presentation of foxing marks ( Corte, Ferroni, et al. 2003, 172).

Temperature
Each species has its optimum temperature for growth. Generally, it has been found that growth increases with increasing temperature and decreases with decreasing temperature. Excessive heat kills most fungi and steam is a standard means of sterilizing cultures in lab procedures.

pH
All research has shown that foxing stains are more acidic than the surrounding paper (see, for example, Arai 1980; Hey 1983; Iiams and Beckwith 1935).

Arai's research suggests that the presence of amino acids is necessary when inducing foxing and that increasing the concentration the of amino acids results in darker brown spots (Arai et al. 1990).

Nutrients
Fungi may find nutrients in one or more of the following.

Cellulose
While some researchers insist that cellulose is not damaged in foxed areas (Meynell and Newsam 1979, 567), others have shown conclusively that fungi digest the cellulose (Cain 1983, 16 and Nol et al. 1983, 23).
Sizings and Adhesives
Because they saw no damage to fibers, Meynell and Newsam claim foxing feeds on gelatin size, not on the cellulose (Meynell and Newsam 1978, 467). However, observations have also been made that fungi prefer more hygroscopic, unsized papers to those that are sized (Meynell and Newsam 1978, 468; Gallo 1963, 58).
Investigation into the influence of fillers and sizes on fungal growth and its production of acids found the following: gelatin, starch and dextrins promoted growth and color production (Beckwith et al. 1940, 3307). There was less acid production by fungi feeding on casein and rosin than with starch or cellulose alone.

Oils
Either from the medium of printing ink in a text or that transferred to paper by readers' or handlers' hands (Meynell and Newsam 1978, 467).

Micro-dust

Light Intensity
Generally, the growth rates for most fungi are not sensitive to light intensity. However, no study has been made of the relationship of foxing stains to light.
"Examination of a 1896 thirty-four volume set of Balzac's works on laid cotton paper found 'snowflake' fungal foxing in circulated volumes no different from that present in 1896 uncirculated, unopened volumes. Previously uncut pages were slit in the dark and examined in the first light exposure in nearly ninety years. Apparently dark storage produced the same pattern, color, and frequency of foxing as occasional exposure to light (Cain, Stanley and Roberts 1987, 24).

Metal-Induced Degradation
"Cellulose is directly oxidized catalytically in the presence of iron, copper, and cobalt compounds, and the reaction is most rapid at high humidities" (Tang 1978, 19). Metal impurities in paper, specifically iron and copper, are believed to result from particles abraded from the metal equipment and/or from contaminated water used in the papermaking process. Additionally, all wood-pulp paper may be expected to contain iron, as it is naturally present in wood (Beckwith et al. 1940, 302).

"In 'bullseye' copper-or iron-induced foxing the role of these two metals is probably that of oxidative catalyst. Both metals can undergo reversible oxidation-reduction. For example, they are both found playing such a role in metabolic biochemical reactions. Iron can alternately be oxidized from the +2 (ferrous) state to the +3 (ferric) state and then be reduced back to the +2 state as it plays the role of oxidizer. Copper can do the same between the +1 and +2 states. Thin-layer chromatographic studies show the extracts of 'bullseye' foxed and unfoxed paper to have all or most of the same bands. This further suggests iron and copper act to catalyze (accelerate) the oxidative degradation of paper" (Cain 1983, 15; Cain and Kalasinski 1987, 57). In a tally of metal-induced foxing, analysis showed that twenty-seven were induced by copper and copper alloys to over 200 induced by iron (Cain and Miller 1982, 7).

Iron

Coloration
"The very color of foxing connotes the presence of iron" (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 412). Iron ions create yellow-brown spots and Tang found that "there is a trend for darkness of the foxing spot to increase with increasing iron content; the highest concentration of iron was noted in the center of the spots, with the metal concentration decreasing... as the distance increased from the center" (Tang 1978, 24, 26).

Occurrence
It would be very difficult to find any paper without some degree of iron [MH]. Numerous researchers have identified iron ions within foxing stains and found a significantly greater concentration of iron in the foxed areas compared to surrounding paper (Cain 1983, Cain 1988, Cain and Miller 1982, Cain and Miller 1984, Daniels 1988, Gallo and Hey 1988, Tang 1978, Tang and Troyer 1981). One study, however, found no difference between foxed and unfoxed areas (Press 1976, 29). This was corroborated by Tang, who found that in some foxed papers there was no difference in iron (or other metal ion) concentration (Tang 1978, 28). While concentrations greater than 500 ppm have been identified with undesirable spots, Hey suggests that "if iron is involved it is not its total concentration that is important but rather its availability to participate in reactions or its effective solubility" (Tang 1978, 28; Hey 1983, 341).


Form
Research indicates that iron in paper is found entirely in the ferric, rather than ferrous, form (Beckwith et al. 1940, 303).

Activation
Iron will not corrode below 70% RH, but in the presence of ions such as chloride, storage needs to be at 40% RH or lower to avoid corrosion. Hey suggests that "there is a strong chemical possibility that heavy metals present in the paper in a quiescent state will be activated by washing with an acid water, when this is not followed by deacidification" (Hey 1979, 68).

Copper

Daniels and Meeks describe copper-related foxing as varying in size "from small spots with no apparent nucleus and only a brown diffuse discolouration, to large spots of about 5 mm diameter with black dendritic patterns or green corrosion products; these spots include an outer ring of brown discoloured paper" (Daniels and Meeks, n.d., 2). Analysis by EDX revealed that the foxed areas contained copper, zinc, sulfur, and chlorine, while the unfoxed areas "did not have detectable amounts of these elements" (Daniels and Meeks, n.d., 5); see Spot Tests. It was concluded that chloride ions, from original or subsequent bleaching residues, accelerated the corrosion of brass (a copper/zinc alloy) inclusions in the paper. The soluble copper compound was then able to react with hydrogen sulfide generated in the paper or absorbed from the atmosphere. The stain was due to a combination of black copper sulfide and brown copper catalyzed degraded cellulose (Daniels and Meeks, n.d., 8). Tang linked copper concentrations greater than 50 ppm with formation of undesirable spots (Tang 1978, 28).

Condensation
A modification of the cellulose, often visually evident by browning, which takes place at the interface between wet and dry parts of fibrous materials and which is not the result of degradation products being carried and deposited by a spreading liquid. "Experiments suggest that the interaction of air, water and cellulose is responsible for the formation of browning" (Hutchins 1983, 58). This interaction could occur at sites of temporary moisture accumulation in the paper. "Depending on the moisture content of a book, [for example,] it would be possible for uniform discolouration of zones, as well as smaller or larger stains, to develop. All the possible factors that influence condensation and evaporation would play a role in this: humidity, temperature, air pressure, paper porosity, and any irregularities in the paper which could include folds, tears, and dirt particles; even the presence of concentrations of iron or fungus could likewise induce condensation" (Ligterink et al. 1991, 51).

The above authors speculate on the relationship between foxing and other forms of discoloration (text block areas, leaf margins). The link is based on observations of both types of staining (foxing and zonal) appearing together on the same page in many books.

The condensation explanation for browning is a broad view ascribing moisture and cellulose and possibly oxygen as the only necessary ingredients to achieve staining. The presence of fungi and/or metals would act only as attractive sites for moisture and consequent browning.

Multiple Causes
Given the ubiquitous nature of both iron and fungi in paper it is quite possible they often act in tandem. Research appears divided (fungal infection vs. metal-induced degradation), and one must keep in mind, when reviewing each study, whether the presence of a dual cause was fully investigated. Often researchers did not adequately test for iron when they found fungi and vice versa.

A good example of this is the use of the SEM. Where Cain and Miller did not, in one study, find an iron core using SEM and EDX, they successfully located it using narrow beam x-ray fluorescence (see Analytic Instrumentation). Other research, however, has relied on SEM alone to determine that there was no iron (or other metals) present without using other methods to check their results.

As early as 1935, Iiams and Beckwith proposed a dual cause of spot formation: organic acids secreted by the metabolizing fungi react with iron present (even in trace amounts) in the paper to form unstable organic iron salts (organo-ferro compounds) which decompose to form iron oxides and hydroxides i.e. brown/rust coloration (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 414).

Iiams and Beckwith also found that adding a 1:1,000 solution of iron caused fungal growth which "greatly exceeded any that had been produced in the laboratory without the presence of iron in the culture papers" (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 414). Their later research confirmed this as well as showing that iron increases the degree and intensity of the discoloration which accompanies fungal proliferation (Beckwith et al. 1940, 303-306). The resulting brown tint had the color of ferric oxide. The presence of casein, gelatin, and starch add to the discoloring effects of iron.

Hey concurred with Iiams and Beckwith and proposed these dual mechanisms:
1. damp -> mold acid -> activation of iron -> increased acid -> mold death
2. damp -> activation of iron -> increased acidity -> local encouragement of mold -> increased acidity -> death of mold [Hey 1983, 341]


These models suggest that one reason why foxing stains do not cover an entire page might be that the acids secreted by the fungi collect, eventually reducing the pH enough to curtail further fungal growth.
Cain and Miller found that "snowflake" foxing contained a higher iron concentration than the surrounding paper (Cain and Miller 1982, 61). A later study found hyphae and occasional fruiting bodies in all snowflake fungal foxed areas examined (Cain, Stanley and Roberts 1987, 24). This suggests a dual cause.
Fungi use iron and copper as co-enzymes. This means that they are essential elements. After use, the excess may be secreted (perhaps as an altered or activated ion) [RK].


Origin/Occurrence

Related to the Manufacture of Paper
The extent of foxing appears to be in direct proportion to methods used in the manufacture of paper (Iiams and Beckwith 1935, 413). It is possible that the potential for foxing is created when the sheet is first made - the foxing only becomes visible later when storage conditions encourage it. Factors include the poor preparation of fibers, impurities in the pulp and the water added to it, and poor bleaching with chlorine. On the other hand, papers manufactured with a high magnesium or calcium carbonate content are less likely to be foxed. It has also been noted that woolen or rayon felts are damaged continually by microbial attack as shown by Sharpely and King. Two species of fungi located in damaged felt fibers are Aspergillus niger and Aspergillus fumigatus, both associated with foxing and noted for their cellulolytic capabilities [EM].


Causes Related to Storage
Ligterink et al. proved that foxing stains found in one particular book arose during storage of the loose sheets prior to binding. They noted that the stain patterns which were not repeated on an adjacent page were sometimes repeated on another page later in the book. By reconstructing the original unfolded, uncut quires it was discovered "that the stain patterns of successive quires matched up if the unfolded sheets were laid on top of each other, and could often be followed down through many sheets in the stack. The storage of these unfolded sheets obviously determined the form of the stains observed which must have therefore arisen before binding" (Literink et al. 1991, 49). Interestingly, the stains were probably not visible at the time of binding as the discolorations are so great in some sheets they would probably have been discarded by the binder (see also Printing Papers). By the same reasoning, book papers which show the same foxing pattern through several adjacent pages indicate the foxing began and became visible after the pages were bound.

Causes Related to Dampness
Research indicates that the internal moisture content of the paper must be at least 10% for fungal growth to occur (Allsop 1985, 59). At 80% RH, paper in general absorbs 9-14% water, with more hygroscopic paper, a lower RH will permit mold growth. Iron alone will not corrode below 70% RH but in the presence of ions such as chloride, papers must be stored at 40% RH or lower to avoid iron corrosion.

Smile - like it - keep going!  :congrats:

Can you show examples... Cooper bills vs other bills ?  Tom assessed holes were created by a bacterium. Tom showed examples below -    FJ said some holes were TERMITE HOLES.  ;)
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« Reply #7122 on: September 01, 2021, 04:07:25 PM »
Cooper requested maps.  What maps?  Still remains unanswered ...

Found this note in Harrison papers. Notes says "0115      305 – charts available – CRAF maps too".   What is a CRAF map? Did Cooper request CRAF maps, whatever they are?
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« Reply #7123 on: September 01, 2021, 04:45:27 PM »
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re: foxing

I think we need that forensic paper expert, to really understand mildew vs insects
I suspect mildew can spread in 3 dimensions..so a hole on one bill might match another bill in the stack, just from mildew, not insects.

Not all of the bills have browning. So it's curious why some do and some don't ?
I don't know why. I'm thinking the science done behind "foxing" might have clues.
I've attached two examples of browning. (from hi res ha.com photos)

EDIT: there are many bills that don't exhibit "foxing" ..I attached one fragment for comparison of whiteness. Hmm. maybe it has a little though.
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« Reply #7124 on: September 01, 2021, 04:48:46 PM »
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Cooper requested maps.  What maps?  Still remains unanswered ...

Found this note in Harrison papers. Notes says "0115      305 – charts available – CRAF maps too".   What is a CRAF map? Did Cooper request CRAF maps, whatever they are?

The only claim that Cooper requested maps is in the Alice Hancock FBI interview at SEATAC on the evening of the hijacking.  It probably came from Alice seeing what was in the box with the crew meals that Cooper reportedly did request.  She was reportedly standing at the front of the cabin when Tina carried that box onboard and probably saw the maps in the box and assumed that Cooper requested them also.

But once Al Lee heard of the hijacking he was going to be interested in where Cooper wanted to go so that he could get the appropriate aviation maps and approach procedures for that area.  In the 1971 time frame, the airliner crews routinely only carried aviation charts and approach procedures for the route they were flying and nearby locations that they might have to divert to.  Jeppesen IFR charts and approach plates were favored by the airlines and crews and would provide charts for specific routes as requested by the airlines.  So Al Lee automatically knew that the NWA 305 flight crew would probably not have charts for wherever Cooper wanted to go.

The CRAF may be a reference to Canadian aviation charts.