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snowmman · « **Reply #7035 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:25:34 PM »

I don't think anyone is diverting.
bits are free. forum posts are a lightweight impact on the world.

you can post anything you want, right, georger?

I'm just posting stuff I like to post. There's no qualifier for what I can post. If you want a qualifier, I suppose you could ask shutter to approve every post before it shows up on his site.

Freedom's a bitch sometimes.

377 · « **Reply #7036 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:27:17 PM »

“ Army Caribou crew chief by the name of McKay. He had about 80 jumps with us at the time and when he was flying he used to lower the ramp and sit on the edge with his rig on! I can dig on that because I developed the habit of sitting in an open door (above 2000') myself and rather enjoy it especially in hot weather.”

I have a pilot friend who was a Caribou crew chief in Vietnam. I’ll see if he knew McKay. My pilot friend is a miracle worker. He and his crew of volunteers spent 17 years restoring a surplus USAF KC 97 to fly. It’s currently grounded with a blown no. 3 engine. The engines are 28 cylinder Pratt and Whitney radials model R 4360-59B. I helped with some electrical issues.

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Robert99 · « **Reply #7037 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:39:49 PM »

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someone had posted this here before.
I wonder if it was fact or speculation. If fact, how did someone find this out? I thought Bruce interviewed someone connected to the Emrich's and got no such info?

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Also, it's worth mentioning again, Linn Emrich is the guy who fingered Sheridan as Cooper to the FBI. Sheridan is the guy that Linn is referring to in the 1971 Issaquah Press article that has recently been posted on this site. Linn hadn't seen Sheridan for 6 1/2 years at this point.

Whats interesting to me is the focus so many people had/have - parachutes. People who can parachute. Diverts attention from all other possibilities. Like a horse that wil only turn right, but not left!

With Snowmman's posts above, it is becoming increasingly clear that Cooper probably had government connections of one kind or another at some point. Maybe as a "kicker" as Larry Carr suggested about a decade or so ago. And in view of the FBI's refusal to release the Seattle ATC radio transcripts (which are actually in the public domain), it may not be the FBI, FAA, or NWA that doesn't want Cooper found or any progress made in this hijacking. Cooper's "grudge" may have been against some USA government agency.

And that agency could probably identify him.

georger · « **Reply #7038 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:42:55 PM »

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I don't think anyone is diverting.
bits are free. forum posts are a lightweight impact on the world.

you can post anything you want, right, georger?

I'm just posting stuff I like to post. There's no qualifier for what I can post. If you want a qualifier, I suppose you could ask shutter to approve every post before it shows up on his site.

Freedom's a bitch sometimes.

Im talking about COOPER. All we know is Cooper parachuted from a plane. There is nothing to indicate he was a world champion parachutist with a long string of parachuting credentials behind his name affiliated with clubs all over the world! The role of the parachute in this case may be no more important than the role of pants.

snowmman · « **Reply #7039 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:45:11 PM »

Pisses me off that I'm going to have to publish a list about what serials are wrongly labelled "no match" at the check six site

since I can't get his list, only check one serial at time, I don't know what alternate serial he's typoed

So there will be serials in his check, that are labelled "match", I suppose, as a typo, for every serial I find that check six says is not a match, but is on the FBI list. Because I doubt he missed one, he just must have a typo

check six blacklists me after I check about 100. the blacklist lasts for about an hour. I suppose he may be doing some kind of DDOS protection, but it makes life difficult. Not impossible, just difficult. It's like people putting locks on their doors and thinking they've improved security.

L34062747A 69

You can test that number at check six.
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Says it is not a match. There are other examples. I'll publish the list when I'm done.

EDIT:
Through trial and error, I discovered that this is the serial check six incorrectly says is a match. He uses a 1 instead of a 7 in the 747A

L34062147A 69

Don't you hate it when everything related or reported about the cooper case has errors, and you can't be sure at what error rate until you verify it all yourself?

I attached the snippet from FBI file 55 page 179. I think I'm seeing it right? My brain has turned to mush from all the looking at serials.

The FBI list has errors. checksix has errors. Damn, we're lucky that some of the found Ingram bills were correctly on the list!
actually joking. The FBI list seems like it just has a few errors.
but the whole thing highlists the problem of

"No list in text that everyone agrees is the current best list"

georger · « **Reply #7040 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:47:48 PM »

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someone had posted this here before.
I wonder if it was fact or speculation. If fact, how did someone find this out? I thought Bruce interviewed someone connected to the Emrich's and got no such info?

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Also, it's worth mentioning again, Linn Emrich is the guy who fingered Sheridan as Cooper to the FBI. Sheridan is the guy that Linn is referring to in the 1971 Issaquah Press article that has recently been posted on this site. Linn hadn't seen Sheridan for 6 1/2 years at this point.

Whats interesting to me is the focus so many people had/have - parachutes. People who can parachute. Diverts attention from all other possibilities. Like a horse that wil only turn right, but not left!

With Snowmman's posts above, it is becoming increasingly clear that Cooper probably had government connections of one kind or another at some point. Maybe as a "kicker" as Larry Carr suggested about a decade or so ago. And in view of the FBI's refusal to release the Seattle ATC radio transcripts (which are actually in the public domain), it may not be the FBI, FAA, or NWA that doesn't want Cooper found or any progress made in this hijacking. Cooper's "grudge" may have been against some USA government agency.

And that agency could probably identify him.

Cooper's "grudge" may have been against Walt Disney. The Unabomber's grudge was against technology and one Harvard professor that had conducted experiments on him. Its interesting to me Cooper did not write and publish a manifesto. But you have!

We have tie particles that are personal vs parachutes others owned! All Cooper did was pick and process the parachutes which is personal on his part. 100-1 Cooper never heard of Sheridan Peterson, Hayden, or Bruce Smith!

snowmman · « **Reply #7041 on:** August 22, 2021, 03:57:47 PM »

About "grudge"

I always found it troubling that Sheridan used the word "heist" and "grudge" in emails to me.
"heist" reminded me of the James Cagney-like language of Cooper in saying "No funny stuff or I'll do the job"

There are many examples where Sheridan wrote "heist". Sometimes with capital H. I'll include one where he said "grudge"
The grudge quote has been reported in a number of ways, but generally it is:

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"I don't have a grudge against your airline, I just have a grudge."

I always wondered about how Sheridan was out of country so long, that his language may have been dated..i.e. back to when he grew up in Windsor in the 40s.

Here's a email to me from June 16, 2019 (bottom) where Sheridan used the word "grudge". My wife pointed out that she never uses the word "grudge". I xxx'ed out identifying info about me and my wife. I replaced boeing377's first name with boeing377.

Interestingly, there's a instagram profile or something that Sheridan created before he died, that slams me and 377 for hacking or other atrocities. I forget where it is now, but I noticed it a couple months ago. Made me sad that his last thoughts were negative (at least on one day) towards me and 377.

For the deep cooper nuts: The reference to "peace of mind" might bring up memories of a certain letter that was potentially from cooper to a newspaper.

that is:

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My life has been one of hate, turmoil, hunger and more hate. This seemed to be the fastest and most profitable way to gain a few fast grains of peace of mind. I don't blame people for hating me for what I've done, nor do I blame anybody for wanting me to be caught and punished, though this can never happen.

This email is exactly as I received it, except for the redacting I've noted.

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Dear xxxx and xxxx,

I just mailed you two the perfect wedding gift via Amazon.com. It is scheduled to arrive June 21. Order number is xxxx

My computer is working well. I am eternally grateful. It was a pleasure meeting xxxx. You lucky guy, xxxx. She will bring you joy and happiness.

I don't have a grudge against [boeing377]. It's a question of peace of mind. I hope you understand.

Have a joyous wedding,

Sheridan

snowmman · « **Reply #7042 on:** August 22, 2021, 04:01:26 PM »

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Cooper's "grudge" may have been against Walt Disney. The Unabomber's grudge was against technology and one Harvard professor that had conducted experiments on him. Its interesting to me Cooper did not write and publish a manifesto. But you have!

We have tie particles that are personal vs parachutes others owned! All Cooper did was pick and process the parachutes which is personal on his part. 100-1 Cooper never heard of Sheridan Peterson, Hayden, or Bruce Smith!

I think you are exactly right about the Disney connection, georger. Where should I start researching? I'm thinking they must have had microfiche of some kind at Disney in the 60's. Should I start with that?

snowmman · « **Reply #7043 on:** August 22, 2021, 04:04:44 PM »

Georger, I'd love to talk serial numbers.

Let's talk about that more. Your silence on fonts used by computer printers in the early '70s is deafening.
Why is that? Are you part of the conspiracy?

snowmman · « **Reply #7044 on:** August 22, 2021, 04:24:06 PM »

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Its interesting to me Cooper did not write and publish a manifesto. But you have!

Yes I've wondered about that.
There was one chapter that Sheridan and I agreed to leave out as it added nothing to the book's development.
Although Sheridan seemed to think it provided depth to one of the characters.
It's about some personal matters, but it got me wondering about how complicated "motivation" can be, and that our understanding of what makes people do things, is speculative at best.

basically, it's easy to make up any story you want about possible motivations.

snowmman · « **Reply #7045 on:** August 22, 2021, 05:35:48 PM »

just looking at results from one full page verification against check six results

I have 8 cases where the fbi file 55 page 179 pdf seems to be very clear that the serial is as I have below, but check six apparently says it's not a match.

i eyeballed a couple times for these...so I think I got it right

there are 300 serials per page. 8 errors out of 300 is a relatively high error rate. I don't know if that error rate will match the overall rate or what.

Page number here is in the fbi file 55. group is A-E left to right, as noted before.
I combined the char groups to form the full serial year, and added "19" for the series year.
This page may be an outlier. It's especially mind numbing because the serials are so similar on this page.
(I have extensive checking rules that take advantage of known legal serials and known sort order on the page.)

But after that, I verify against checksix.
Anything I miscompare against checksix, I then do another visual compare with my eyeballs/brain, looking at the fbi file (extracted png image from the pdf)
Visual compares are done on any rule violations earlier, also, to fix errors in my ocr/manual processes.

This is the first full page compare I've completed. I was doing random samples for comparing other pages, (so far...will do full compare)

L33557572A 1969 page 179 row 02 group A
L33565368A 1969 page 179 row 10 group A # difficult 8 vs 6 printing, but 368A is correct
L33631527A 1969 page 179 row 22 group B
L33637392A 1969 page 179 row 29 group B
L33647527A 1969 page 179 row 46 group B
L33697640A 1969 page 179 row 54 group B
L34018500A 1969 page 179 row 16 group C # FBI has apparent typo of 50CA (C vs 0 error is common. Sometimes just poor printing. Sometimes seems like real typo of C vs 0)
L34062747A 1969 page 179 row 08 group D

Robert99 · « **Reply #7046 on:** August 22, 2021, 06:10:33 PM »

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“ Army Caribou crew chief by the name of McKay. He had about 80 jumps with us at the time and when he was flying he used to lower the ramp and sit on the edge with his rig on! I can dig on that because I developed the habit of sitting in an open door (above 2000') myself and rather enjoy it especially in hot weather.”

I have a pilot friend who was a Caribou crew chief in Vietnam. I’ll see if he knew McKay. My pilot friend is a miracle worker. He and his crew of volunteers spent 17 years restoring a surplus USAF KC 97 to fly. It’s currently grounded with a blown no. 3 engine. The engines are 28 cylinder Pratt and Whitney radials model R 4360-59B. I helped with some electrical issues.

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Be sure to ask the Caribou crew chief if he was in the Army or USAF. The Army owned those airplanes in the early 1960s but they were turned over to the USAF before the end of the 1960s (I think it was) due to a realignment of missions between those two services. And I think the USAF retired them as fast as they could.

About the mid-1960s, while still an Army aircraft, I saw demonstrations of both standard paratroopers and HALO skydivers jumping from Caribous.

dudeman17 · « **Reply #7047 on:** August 22, 2021, 08:54:23 PM »

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Cossey('s)... ...skydive training business was a disaster however. He showed such a callous disregard for student safety that he was prosecuted for manslaughter. There were several deaths, some of which were attributed to poorly maintained gear.

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Cossey did that? Are you sure you're not mixing him up with Ted Mayfield?

snowmman · « **Reply #7048 on:** August 22, 2021, 09:20:17 PM »

from the FBI serial list

consecutive non-star serials

L34 212 082A 69
L34 212 083A 69

so there were consecutive non-star notes too. (already showed the case of consecutive star notes)

If you were to have any non-star notes in your possession, these two would be great, as consecutive serials would increase their value (as a pair)

dudeman17 · « **Reply #7049 on:** August 22, 2021, 09:21:29 PM »

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...the reserve...

So that's interesting..how was it used? Throw over your head or throw on the ground?

Actually neither. In that method of emergency procedure where you are hand deploying the reserve, you do not release the main parachute. (In the later method where you do release the main, the reserve has a pilot chute and deploys itself when you pull the ripcord.) So hanging under your malfunctioned main, the relative wind is coming up from beneath you. How fast depends on the type of malfunction you're having. If you threw the reserve down, it might blow back up and wrap around you. Throwing it down or up could result in it entangling with the main. So what you wanted to do was throw it out to the side, into the direction of any spin you might have. You wanted to get it out to the side and past the main, so it would open next to it.

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Yes, same Gene Hasenfus. An interesting take on Barry Seal is the Tom Cruise movie 'American Made'.

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Perchance is McKay's first name Ed?

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Interesting history you've dug up, snowmman.

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If anyone was wondering how it might be determined that Clifford went in in a delta (track), you can usually tell what the body position was at impact by the crater. Grim, yes, but usually accurate.

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