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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #645 on: March 05, 2015, 02:44:39 AM »
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The transcripts make it sound as if its a note from him. you would think they would say "Tina noted back" or something to that affect? "He has written out his request"

If the Anderson interview I have is a true statement, there was more back and forth communication with Cooper than the transcripts make explicit. A number of statements in the transcripts also infer communications which the transcripts don't make explicit. Here is one example just after the plane has landed but fueling has not started, the stews are barely off the plane, and this exchange occurs:

P:   We have two of the three (two) stewardesses in the car. We have one remaining
Stewardess with the Individual and he’s not going to let her leave the aircraft
at this time.
GC:   Roger.
P:    Do we want the fuel truck to come up and if they’re ……….
Al:   Yea, there he comes.
GC:   Alright.
GC:   Alpha 3 ground. Can you work on another fuel truck?
Al:   A fourth truck is standing by.
GC:   OK, he only wants an ounce.
P:   I hope that thing is full! If it isn’t you’d better get another truck out here so we
can maintain continuity of filling this aircraft up. HE’S GETTING AWFULLY
ANCY!


"HE’S GETTING AWFULLY ANCY!" implies communications which have not been made explicit.

Another example is: AL:   I just talked to the stews here and if you’ll call back there and tell HIM
everything is under control and is fueling then he will let this other one off too?


Another example: We’re in a rut. Well he seems to want those back steps down. Well we’ve kind of convinced him now we can’t take off with them in the ground position, but he wants them down when we get airborne, fly with it down, and then so he can bail out at any time. I don’t know.

And another: HE SAYS: “GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD” so we’re ready to crank her up here and we want to go. We’ll  have to pick a flight plan in the air. You get us headed the general direction and we will do the rest in the air. Put us out over the (ocean) or something along the coast. Just something where we can maneuver and get this set up and get the Individual  off our backs. He’s very upset and Tina says he means it now to go or …(unintel)…

Anderson made it very clear there was more back-and-forth than the Transcripts make explicit.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #646 on: March 05, 2015, 02:51:26 AM »
Now we're getting the nitty-gritty.  Thanks, G.
 

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« Reply #647 on: March 05, 2015, 12:11:50 PM »
Tina is so frustrating. It's too bad she doesn't have grown children who could maybe talk some sense into her. She was the best witness to one of the greatest mysteries of American history. I'm sorry if she was traumatized by it and my years of experience in dealing with victims of crime have made me sympathetic, but at a certain point you owe it to posterity to talk.

Although in a warped way we owe a large part of our fascination with this case due to Tina not speaking. Think of the thousands of man hours and thousands of pages that people have written in articles, forums, and books that wouldn't exist if Tina were speaking. If she is as traumatized as she appears to be, then there is zero doubt that Cooper's face is burned into her brain. Therefore, Tina could literally take two minutes and look at the pics of our favorite suspects and go "No...nope...no...not him...nope...not him" and massive chunks of this hobby would disappear. The suspect thread would be 10 pages long instead of 52!

Still, her silence is easily the most frustrating thing about this case. She is a living Rosetta Stone for this whole case.
 

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« Reply #648 on: March 05, 2015, 12:32:01 PM »
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Tina is so frustrating. It's too bad she doesn't have grown children who could maybe talk some sense into her. She was the best witness to one of the greatest mysteries of American history. I'm sorry if she was traumatized by it and my years of experience in dealing with victims of crime have made me sympathetic, but at a certain point you owe it to posterity to talk.

Although in a warped way we owe a large part of our fascination with this case due to Tina not speaking. Think of the thousands of man hours and thousands of pages that people have written in articles, forums, and books that wouldn't exist if Tina were speaking. If she is as traumatized as she appears to be, then there is zero doubt that Cooper's face is burned into her brain. Therefore, Tina could literally take two minutes and look at the pics of our favorite suspects and go "No...nope...no...not him...nope...not him" and massive chunks of this hobby would disappear. The suspect thread would be 10 pages long instead of 52!

Still, her silence is easily the most frustrating thing about this case. She is a living Rosetta Stone for this whole case.

I sent a letter to Tina's place of employment a few months back. It was the same time I sent a letter to Bill Mitchell. I also sent a letter to Florence. I was contacted by Mitchell. However, I did not hear back from the stews. After watching the Cooper episode on Unsolved Mysteries, I hoped Florence would have responded to my letter. I did find Florence's son, as well as Tina's Sister and Brother-in-Law, but did not try to contact either party.
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« Reply #649 on: March 05, 2015, 12:43:17 PM »
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I sent a letter to Tina's place of employment a few months back. It was the same time I sent a letter to Bill Mitchell. I also sent a letter to Florence. I was contacted by Mitchell. However, I did not hear back from the stews. After watching the Cooper episode on Unsolved Mysteries, I hoped Florence would have responded to my letter. I did find Florence's son, as well as Tina's Sister and Brother-in-Law, but did not try to contact either party.

See, this just grinds my gears and reeks of a serious problem with Tina and now Flo. It's selfishness in a way. You are a child trying to find information about your missing father. It would probably mean everything in the world to you if Tina spent just three minutes and responded to you and merely said "No, after looking at the pictures, DB was absolutely not your father. Best of luck finding your dad." Yet she won't even do something so simple. That really bugs me.
 

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« Reply #650 on: March 05, 2015, 12:53:26 PM »
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I sent a letter to Tina's place of employment a few months back. It was the same time I sent a letter to Bill Mitchell. I also sent a letter to Florence. I was contacted by Mitchell. However, I did not hear back from the stews. After watching the Cooper episode on Unsolved Mysteries, I hoped Florence would have responded to my letter. I did find Florence's son, as well as Tina's Sister and Brother-in-Law, but did not try to contact either party.

See, this just grinds my gears and reeks of a serious problem with Tina and now Flo. It's selfishness in a way. You are a child trying to find information about your missing father. It would probably mean everything in the world to you if Tina spent just three minutes and responded to you and merely said "No, after looking at the pictures, DB was absolutely not your father. Best of luck finding your dad." Yet she won't even do something so simple. That really bugs me.

I do not want this topic to drift into the "Melvin Wilson" forum. So last word on this. Mitchell could not say one way or the other, but he did state that the sketch did not represent what he remembered from that night. He thought the sketches of Cooper made the hi-jacker's face too thin. He said the facial features, the wider face, cheeks and the gobble neck, on my father's pictures and home videos are facial features he remembers from that night. He also stated that Weber was not Cooper. He said he and his friends would have laughed if Cooper had "Dumbo" ears.

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« Reply #651 on: March 05, 2015, 01:03:57 PM »
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I sent a letter to Tina's place of employment a few months back. It was the same time I sent a letter to Bill Mitchell. I also sent a letter to Florence. I was contacted by Mitchell. However, I did not hear back from the stews. After watching the Cooper episode on Unsolved Mysteries, I hoped Florence would have responded to my letter. I did find Florence's son, as well as Tina's Sister and Brother-in-Law, but did not try to contact either party.

See, this just grinds my gears and reeks of a serious problem with Tina and now Flo. It's selfishness in a way. You are a child trying to find information about your missing father. It would probably mean everything in the world to you if Tina spent just three minutes and responded to you and merely said "No, after looking at the pictures, DB was absolutely not your father. Best of luck finding your dad." Yet she won't even do something so simple. That really bugs me.

I do not want this topic to drift into the "Melvin Wilson" forum. So last word on this. Mitchell could not say one way or the other, but he did state that the sketch did not represent what he remembered from that night. He thought the sketches of Cooper made the hi-jacker's face too thin. He said the facial features, the wider face, cheeks and the gobble neck, on my father's pictures and home videos are facial features he remembers from that night. He also stated that Weber was not Cooper. He said he and his friends would have laughed if Cooper had "Dumbo" ears.

Oh....and welcome to the forum.
Photos of your dad and the adjusted Bureau sketch ...
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« Reply #652 on: March 05, 2015, 01:08:43 PM »
What is this adjusted Bureau sketch? I must be having a brain fart. When and why did that come about?
 

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« Reply #653 on: March 05, 2015, 04:16:54 PM »
Vicki, you bring up Melvin anytime you wish. same goes for Lepsy, they are both considered suspects.....
 

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« Reply #654 on: March 05, 2015, 04:47:33 PM »
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Vicki, you bring up Melvin anytime you wish. same goes for Lepsy, they are both considered suspects.....

Yeah, I've grown to really like Melvin as a suspect. Career criminal, had served in the military, tall, had a "turkey neck" but wasn't a fat man, obviously someone in his 40's to 50's, had the ability to be a smooth talker, the 200k connection, had a olive skin tone, had the hair, wasn't an experienced skydiver, etc.
 

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Vicki, you bring up Melvin anytime you wish. same goes for Lepsy, they are both considered suspects.....

Yeah, I've grown to really like Melvin as a suspect. Career criminal, had served in the military, tall, had a "turkey neck" but wasn't a fat man, obviously someone in his 40's to 50's, had the ability to be a smooth talker, the 200k connection, had a olive skin tone, had the hair, wasn't an experienced skydiver, etc.

Recently, we asked Tom Kaye a few questions about the forensic evidence on the tie. Unfortunately, my questions about the tie were not answered. Melvin was a counterfeiter and he carved his own metal plates for an off-set press. I wanted to know if the items found on the tie would be found in the daily operations of a print shop. Mel's shop was located in St. Paul and possible located over a statuary. The person who owned the statuary was arrested with counterfeit bills in 1971 at the same time-frame my father was arrested. (Source: MN History Museum and newspaper articles from the 1971 Minneapolis Star, Minneapolis Tribune ad the St. Paul Pioneer Press).
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Recently, we asked Tom Kaye a few questions about the forensic evidence on the tie. Unfortunately, my questions about the tie were not answered.

Tom will be coming back to the thread, he's a little busy these days. I'll email him explaining some people still have questions.
 

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« Reply #657 on: March 17, 2015, 09:58:36 PM »
Bruce, the book should also be placed here. "Evidence About The Case" Congrats by the way!!!

BIG NEWS

My book, DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking, is now available at Amazon, in a Kindle version, which is an e-book.  The text reads very easily on a commuter screen, but is designed for tablets and such, too.

I am so excited!

My Amazon site is also set up for discussions, ala blogging, so you can interact with a broader audience than here or the DZ.  $6.99 gets you in the game in the USA, and in about 90 days I'll be seeing about $4. But if you want to buy it in Russia, it's gonna cost you $89. (?)  Italy is eleven Euros.  Hmmmmm....

Also, if anyone who like to post a review at Amazon, I'd be most appreciative.

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« Reply #658 on: March 17, 2015, 11:08:47 PM »
Ok, Bruce...I just bought a copy of your book.  It looks good!

Don't spend that $4 all in one place!
 

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What is this adjusted Bureau sketch? I must be having a brain fart. When and why did that come about?
I missed this comment the first time around. I think the sketch is on the FBI's Cooper website. I know I have seen it before, but I thought it was one of the first sketches made.

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