Author Topic: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case (Read 1824931 times)

georger · « **Reply #630 on:** February 25, 2015, 02:11:41 AM »

Did gray tell the truth?

Weber says No@!

skyjack71
Feb 24, 2015, 10:54 PM
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Geofrey Grey's book! [In reply to]

GEOFFREY GREY LIED A LOT IN HIS BOOK.

YOUR'S TRULY JO WEBER HAS TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS GEOFFREY SUPPOSEDLY INTERVIEWED & THEY CLAIM THEY DID NOT SAY THE THINGS GEOFFREY CLAIMED....THEY HAD NOT READ HIS BOOK!

THERE WAS NO RUSSETT SWEATER!

TINA DID SEE COOPER'S SHOES - SHE WAS SITTING RIGHT BESIDE HIM & YOU COULD SEE HIS SOCKS FROM THE POSITION ONE WITNESS WAS SITTING IN. HE COULDN'T TELL IF IT WAS SOCKS OR LONG JOHNS HANGING DOWN.

WHY WOULD ONE WITNESS BE JEALOUS OF COOPER - HE COULD HAVE BEEN HER UNCLE OR A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY.

NO ONE HAS EVER MENTIONED IF COOPER CROSSED HIS LEGS AT SOME POINT...........................DUH!

IF GRAY HAD ACCESS TO EXTENSIVE FILES - I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED!
WHY? I HAVE SPOKE TO SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS - AND THEY DENY THEY EVER MADE SUCH STATEMENTS AS CLAIMED BY GREY...........UnsureUnimpressedUnimpressed

WHY DO BOOK WRITERS HAVE TO ENGARNISH THE TRUTH?

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Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #631 on:** February 25, 2015, 03:44:13 AM »

Gray got a couple of things wrong, but nothing major.

Geoffrey's biggest "mistake" is believing that the FBI files are infallible, such as the witness report from Robert Gregory. I also don't think Geoff really had a handle on the Cossey-Hayden parachute controversy. In some ways, GG knows a lot about DB Cooper; in other ways, not so much. I think he would learn a lot and his book would have been better if he spent more time with us here and at the DZ.

georger · « **Reply #632 on:** February 25, 2015, 12:55:30 PM »

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Gray got a couple of things wrong, but nothing major.

Geoffrey's biggest "mistake" is believing that the FBI files are infallible, such as the witness report from Robert Gregory. I also don't think Geoff really had a handle on the Cossey-Hayden parachute controversy. In some ways, GG knows a lot about DB Cooper; in other ways, not so much. I think he would learn a lot and his book would have been better if he spent more time with us here and at the DZ.

So ... you haven't given us any "Kenny was Cooper newes!" ... after Blevins and the Great Adventure Books of Seattle-London-Moscow-Rio-Capetown sent their Great PDF and his their major new releases to media!

What gives!? IS THERE A NEWS BLACKOUT? IS ALL ELECTRICITY OFF IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON?

IF I DONT HEAR SOMETHING SOON IM GOING TO CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT!

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #633 on:** February 25, 2015, 04:40:10 PM »

The cops are busy, Georger. This just in from the King County Sheriff's Office:

Burglar Breaks In To Church, Eats Chocolate

Burien: On Tuesday morning Burien Police were called to Highline United Methodist Church when the pastor arrived at work to find someone inside. A thorough search of the large church located no damage and nothing missing, other than about $5 worth of chocolate candy from the kitchen. The confection filcher fled before being apprehended by deputies.

When Pastor Kathleen O’Connor first opened the door to the church she saw a shadow inside and heard footsteps. O’Connor knew no one else should be there so she called out, “Hello, who’s there?” O’Conner hear running footsteps and a banging sound. She then exited the church, locking the door and calling 911.

Deputies responded and searched the building, but the candy culprit had managed an escape. It is unknown whether satisfaction of the suspect’s sweet tooth was the only motive.

There is no suspect profile, other than any person that has ever tasted delicious chocolate.

CONTACT: Sergeant BJ Myers

Media Relations Officer
King County Sheriff's Office
King County Courthouse
Room W-116
516 Third Avenue
Seattle, WA 98104

Date: February 25, 2015

georger · « **Reply #634 on:** February 25, 2015, 05:08:40 PM »

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The cops are busy, Georger. This just in from the King County Sheriff's Office:

Burglar Breaks In To Church, Eats Chocolate

Burien: On Tuesday morning Burien Police were called to Highline United Methodist Church when the pastor arrived at work to find someone inside. A thorough search of the large church located no damage and nothing missing, other than about $5 worth of chocolate candy from the kitchen. The confection filcher fled before being apprehended by deputies.

When Pastor Kathleen O’Connor first opened the door to the church she saw a shadow inside and heard footsteps. O’Connor knew no one else should be there so she called out, “Hello, who’s there?” O’Conner hear running footsteps and a banging sound. She then exited the church, locking the door and calling 911.

Deputies responded and searched the building, but the candy culprit had managed an escape. It is unknown whether satisfaction of the suspect’s sweet tooth was the only motive.

There is no suspect profile, other than any person that has ever tasted delicious chocolate.

CONTACT: Sergeant BJ Myers

Media Relations Officer
King County Sheriff's Office
King County Courthouse
Room W-116
516 Third Avenue
Seattle, WA 98104

Date: February 25, 2015

So in other words, you have seen nothing or made no attempt to to see if news media responded to, covered, announced, or otherwise acknowledged the Adventire Books/Blevins press announcements concerning his filing with the FBI in the DB Cooper case... which he has been at for five long years! ? Hmmm. Maybe it's another hoax.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #635 on:** February 25, 2015, 09:21:56 PM »

Nope, I haven't lifted a finger to verify what the F is the response to RMB's Big News.

Why should I? I just read your posts, G!

georger · « **Reply #636 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:53:30 AM »

Bruce Smith says:

It may be time for us to develop a unified witness profile:

1. Tina: DBC was 5'10 - 6', gentleman, mid-40s; sat with skyjacker for 5 hours. Had to look up to see skyjacker.

2. Flo: DBC was 6'-6'1", Latin, deep brown eyes, mid-40s; interacted with skyjacker for less than fifteen minutes.

Hmmm. Tina: Spent hours with the hijacker, in all kinds of positions!

Hmmm. Florence: Spent from 3:07pm to 6:44pm in close proximity and all kinds of positions with Cooper! That is 3h 37m in my calculator! Not the "less than 15 minutes" Smith asserts!

Hmmm. Alice: Same amount of time as Flo! Includes face-to-face time with Cooper.

BTW: Smith's calculation for Tina is way off too!

Bruce, learn how to use a calculator and tell time!

Shutter · « **Reply #637 on:** March 03, 2015, 06:39:53 AM »

Some wish to over rule the FBI, and basic facts.

"The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can't throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.

Not using any one persons description as the end all but the totality of all the descriptions. Not one person described him much different than the others. Yes some put him in his 30's most put him in his mid 40's to 50's. Some did not see him standing, others did.

Under the "trust no I-witness" philosophy, there is no base of fact to go from, maybe he was actually a she? Where do you stop? there has to be a baseline of fact, you simply cannot conduct an effective investigation if every human being is a suspect.

There is the key difference, "it happened so fast" Not the same in the Cooper case. Mucklow spent almost five hours with Cooper, I think she could have got the base physical indentifiers correct, especially when the others reported almost the same."

They described the situation as calm and Cooper as calm, quiet and polite. In fact, Tina described joking with Cooper towards the end of the flight and Schaffner described him as child like. In other words no trauma that would taint the description.

Agent Larry Carr
Federal Bureau Of Investigations.

almost 20 years of experience

Change the profile?

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georger · « **Reply #638 on:** March 03, 2015, 08:32:37 AM »

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Some wish to over rule the FBI, and basic facts.

"The physical description I provided is a reported fact. No matter how much you would like to change it you simply can't throw it out and replace it with theoretical fact so it fits your suspect. If you do, your investigation is doomed to fail.

Not using any one persons description as the end all but the totality of all the descriptions. Not one person described him much different than the others. Yes some put him in his 30's most put him in his mid 40's to 50's. Some did not see him standing, others did.

Under the "trust no I-witness" philosophy, there is no base of fact to go from, maybe he was actually a she? Where do you stop? there has to be a baseline of fact, you simply cannot conduct an effective investigation if every human being is a suspect.

There is the key difference, "it happened so fast" Not the same in the Cooper case. Mucklow spent almost five hours with Cooper, I think she could have got the base physical indentifiers correct, especially when the others reported almost the same."

They described the situation as calm and Cooper as calm, quiet and polite. In fact, Tina described joking with Cooper towards the end of the flight and Schaffner described him as child like. In other words no trauma that would taint the description.

Agent Larry Carr
Federal Bureau Of Investigations.

almost 20 years of experience

Change the profile???

I think Jack Rabbit Ears Weber is out.

I think Kenny the balding dwarf with an imp-like face is out.

All other candidates excepted as long as they aren't less than 4foot 3inches. And dont weigh over 400 lbs.

Shutter · « **Reply #639 on:** March 03, 2015, 04:05:20 PM »

It's the passengers who were "all over the board" that's a simple answer. they didn't really have a reason to recall Cooper, so you will end up with altered descriptions. I believe the FBI based most of it on the Stews. they were with him for long periods of time. other crimes 377, and others refer to is random crimes that are quick, and people didn't get a very good look at the person. this gives a bad description. i'm not saying they got everything right, nobody knows this until he is ID.d. you have to have guidelines though.

5'6 - 6' 3? some wants to go with 5' 8" so you must lower that even more?
140-180 Lbs? He could of had 5 pairs of clothing?
Tanned, olive, bronze, dark, pale complexion? add as needed?
25-65 years Old?
Hair- thin, Thick, bald, parted on left, straight back, parted on the right
Sideburns- below ears- at the center of ears, faint sideburns

Each time you change something to fit a suspect, you must continue to go lower. if you are allowed to do that, then you must make it lower to fit others.

Where does it end as Carr stated?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #640 on:** March 03, 2015, 06:46:31 PM »

Florence left Mr. Cooper at 6 o'clock or so? I thought the plane landed at 5:30 or so.

More to the point, I thought Florence left Cooper's location after receiving the note and taking it to the cockpit. Then she stayed there for the rest of the skyjacking, taking notes - PAGES and PAGES of them. no?

Georger, can you give us a timeline of Florence's actions? Thanks.

georger · « **Reply #641 on:** March 03, 2015, 11:25:40 PM »

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Florence left Mr. Cooper at 6 o'clock or so? I thought the plane landed at 5:30 or so.

More to the point, I thought Florence left Cooper's location after receiving the note and taking it to the cockpit. Then she stayed there for the rest of the skyjacking, taking notes - PAGES and PAGES of them. no?

Georger, can you give us a timeline of Florence's actions? Thanks.

She was back and forth between the cockpit and the back. Shuttling around conveying messages while Tina attended Cooper. She had hours of opportunity to look at and watch Cooper. Finally at 6:44 we have this in the Transcripts:

6:44pm   t1 Stews leaving aircraft …
305:      Ops. Other two girls leaving aircraft.
MSFLOPS:   Roger.

Alice, as I understand it, stayed mainly in the first class area holding her station there. But she was observant and attentive with regard to everything going on with 'the guy in the back'. Ready to offer assistance if needed. After Alice and Flo left, Alice realised she had left her purse. She came right back up the stairs and got permission to go back and ask Cooper if she could get her purse. He said 'ok', allowed her to retrieve her purse, and she left a second time. I dont know if Alice had any extended exchanges with Cooper or Tina during that event.

I've always felt Cooper chose Tina to stay because she was the most compliant of the three stews, and the one most likely to help him without posing a problem..... a judgement call he made based on his estimate of the girl's personalities. It was to his advantage to keep the most compliant stew.

Shutter · « **Reply #642 on:** March 03, 2015, 11:31:46 PM »

Does this imply he did write more than one note to the cockpit? It's not the old "Miss I have a bomb"

georger · « **Reply #643 on:** March 03, 2015, 11:40:13 PM »

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Does this imply he did write more than one note to the cockpit? It's not the old "Miss I have a bomb"

Yes. A series of notes got exchanged, is my understanding. Flo and Tina were the runners. As long as the passengers were on board everyone involved made an effort to keep things quiet with no extended interphone use, so notes became the method of communicating.

His initial note was the only note he personally wrote and it was returned to him. The other notes were dictated by Cooper, or the crew, with Flo or Tina doing the writing.

Shutter · « **Reply #644 on:** March 04, 2015, 06:44:04 AM »

The transcripts make it sound as if its a note from him. you would think they would say "Tina noted back" or something to that affect? "He has written out his request"

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