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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6150 on: February 26, 2021, 04:16:40 PM »
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It was a bourbon and soda!!  Why do you twist it to a bourbon and 7 up?  Are you nuts about 7 up?  Soda is CLUB SODA. Never heard of it?  Ever hit a bar in your life?  I was 14 when he jumped.  I know how the old boys ordered a drink back in the day.  I worked in restaurants as a cook.  A bourbon and soda is a bourbon and soda.  Not that it matters or will solve this case.  But the poster that wants to twist the facts is dead wrong. Why dont you try and get Muckler or the other sky girl who is hidden somewhere in S Carolina to tell  you what soda mean?  It means soda   Not 7 UP   Even now if someone goes into a bar and is at a social event and does not want to drink, perhaps he or she is an alcoholic?  They usually order a club soda.  Awful tasting stuff I will grant you that.  But no sugar. 

On a more important topic, just how intensive was the search in Canada?  I would think that would be important based on the french comic book and the use of the term "American currency".  Did the Canadian authorities go after this with the same enthusiasm that the US did?  Somehow I doubt it.

Who the F is this clown?

OK.  Not sure where this is from but I have never heard 7 up mentioned before your post.  Always soda.  So you know there is such a thing as soda right?  Club Soda?  Used  very often as a mixer.  I have never heard 7 up mentioned in any news report on this case before your post.  So thanks for enlightening me. You have cleared that up
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6151 on: February 26, 2021, 04:30:08 PM »
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If you mean me, I am talking to the guy that said it was 7 up and not soda. I am trying to tell him that there is actually something called club soda that was and is still used often in bars.  So I am the clown!  I also just heard on that IA podcast that its mentioned that the FBI did in fact order those cigarette butts to be destroyed back in early 70s?  That is my next joke

DB, you continue to show your ignorance.  I was a bartender once, so I do know the difference between soda, 7 UP, and tonic, and whatever drinks.  Here is a link from the Washington Post that mentions 7 UP.  It is in a 302, I just don't have it in front of me, but now I'm not going to waste my time with you.  Do some research before you go spouting off what you think you know.  "Muckler", it is Mucklow, everyone knows that.  This isn't Facebook, it's a forum with people who have been vetted and discuss the case from a knowledgeable standpoint.  We all may not get along, but we acknowledge that the others have expertise on the case.  Do some homework or leave here and go on Facebook or Reddit or the DZ instead.  Read some 302s or a legit book on the case from Bruce or Martin, then come back.

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6152 on: February 26, 2021, 04:50:02 PM »
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If you mean me, I am talking to the guy that said it was 7 up and not soda. I am trying to tell him that there is actually something called club soda that was and is still used often in bars.  So I am the clown!  I also just heard on that IA podcast that its mentioned that the FBI did in fact order those cigarette butts to be destroyed back in early 70s?  That is my next joke

DB, you continue to show your ignorance.  I was a bartender once, so I do know the difference between soda, 7 UP, and tonic, and whatever drinks.  Here is a link from the Washington Post that mentions 7 UP.  It is in a 302, I just don't have it in front of me, but now I'm not going to waste my time with you.  Do some research before you go spouting off what you think you know.  "Muckler", it is Mucklow, everyone knows that.  This isn't Facebook, it's a forum with people who have been vetted and discuss the case from a knowledgeable standpoint.  We all may not get along, but we acknowledge that the others have expertise on the case.  Do some homework or leave here and go on Facebook or Reddit or the DZ instead.  Read some 302s or a legit book on the case from Bruce or Martin, then come back.

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Hold on!!  Your calling me ignorant?  I was not even talking to you.  This is typical of the kind of attitudes I find here.  All know it alls.  I was only stating that Club soda is used often as a mixer for Gods sake  Then Mr DNA expert gives me the crap.  So you want to fight over a drink?  I amnot even reading the rest of the post after being name called twice in a day.  I have never seen anything but "bourbon and soda" referred to as to what DB Cooper ordered.  Go catch him for me EU if you read this.  Your dong a bang up job.  You will never catch him.  Hows that for a joke?   As for you, current poster, go have a Jack Daniels on me.  I am not a bourbon guy. 
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6153 on: February 26, 2021, 05:01:13 PM »
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If you mean me, I am talking to the guy that said it was 7 up and not soda. I am trying to tell him that there is actually something called club soda that was and is still used often in bars.  So I am the clown!  I also just heard on that IA podcast that its mentioned that the FBI did in fact order those cigarette butts to be destroyed back in early 70s?  That is my next joke

DB, you continue to show your ignorance.  I was a bartender once, so I do know the difference between soda, 7 UP, and tonic, and whatever drinks.  Here is a link from the Washington Post that mentions 7 UP.  It is in a 302, I just don't have it in front of me, but now I'm not going to waste my time with you.  Do some research before you go spouting off what you think you know.  "Muckler", it is Mucklow, everyone knows that.  This isn't Facebook, it's a forum with people who have been vetted and discuss the case from a knowledgeable standpoint.  We all may not get along, but we acknowledge that the others have expertise on the case.  Do some homework or leave here and go on Facebook or Reddit or the DZ instead.  Read some 302s or a legit book on the case from Bruce or Martin, then come back.

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Hold on!!  Your calling me ignorant?  I was not even talking to you.  This is typical of the kind of attitudes I find here.  All know it alls.  I was only stating that Club soda is used often as a mixer for Gods sake  Then Mr DNA expert gives me the crap.  So you want to fight over a drink?  I amnot even reading the rest of the post after being name called twice in a day.  I have never seen anything but "bourbon and soda" referred to as to what DB Cooper ordered.  Go catch him for me EU if you read this.  Your dong a bang up job.  You will never catch him.  Hows that for a joke?   As for you, current poster, go have a Jack Daniels on me.  I am not a bourbon guy.

I am the guy who said 7 Up. So it is me you were referring to. If you mean well, then maybe pause for a minute and read through the posts before responding. EU has done a lot for this case. A lot.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6154 on: February 26, 2021, 05:15:47 PM »
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If you mean me, I am talking to the guy that said it was 7 up and not soda. I am trying to tell him that there is actually something called club soda that was and is still used often in bars.  So I am the clown!  I also just heard on that IA podcast that its mentioned that the FBI did in fact order those cigarette butts to be destroyed back in early 70s?  That is my next joke

I am sure he has.  But he has no business jumping into a conversation that has nothing to do with him and calling me an f ing clown. If I use the F word here I will be shown the door I am sure.  I will read the post. 

DB, you continue to show your ignorance.  I was a bartender once, so I do know the difference between soda, 7 UP, and tonic, and whatever drinks.  Here is a link from the Washington Post that mentions 7 UP.  It is in a 302, I just don't have it in front of me, but now I'm not going to waste my time with you.  Do some research before you go spouting off what you think you know.  "Muckler", it is Mucklow, everyone knows that.  This isn't Facebook, it's a forum with people who have been vetted and discuss the case from a knowledgeable standpoint.  We all may not get along, but we acknowledge that the others have expertise on the case.  Do some homework or leave here and go on Facebook or Reddit or the DZ instead.  Read some 302s or a legit book on the case from Bruce or Martin, then come back.

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Hold on!!  Your calling me ignorant?  I was not even talking to you.  This is typical of the kind of attitudes I find here.  All know it alls.  I was only stating that Club soda is used often as a mixer for Gods sake  Then Mr DNA expert gives me the crap.  So you want to fight over a drink?  I amnot even reading the rest of the post after being name called twice in a day.  I have never seen anything but "bourbon and soda" referred to as to what DB Cooper ordered.  Go catch him for me EU if you read this.  Your dong a bang up job.  You will never catch him.  Hows that for a joke?   As for you, current poster, go have a Jack Daniels on me.  I am not a bourbon guy.

I am the guy who said 7 Up. So it is me you were referring to. If you mean well, then maybe pause for a minute and read through the posts before responding. EU has done a lot for this case. A lot.
 

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6155 on: February 26, 2021, 05:19:24 PM »
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If you mean me, I am talking to the guy that said it was 7 up and not soda. I am trying to tell him that there is actually something called club soda that was and is still used often in bars.  So I am the clown!  I also just heard on that IA podcast that its mentioned that the FBI did in fact order those cigarette butts to be destroyed back in early 70s?  That is my next joke

DB, you continue to show your ignorance.  I was a bartender once, so I do know the difference between soda, 7 UP, and tonic, and whatever drinks.  Here is a link from the Washington Post that mentions 7 UP.  It is in a 302, I just don't have it in front of me, but now I'm not going to waste my time with you.  Do some research before you go spouting off what you think you know.  "Muckler", it is Mucklow, everyone knows that.  This isn't Facebook, it's a forum with people who have been vetted and discuss the case from a knowledgeable standpoint.  We all may not get along, but we acknowledge that the others have expertise on the case.  Do some homework or leave here and go on Facebook or Reddit or the DZ instead.  Read some 302s or a legit book on the case from Bruce or Martin, then come back.

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I know its Mucklow. Typo.  My typing skills are not that good
 

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« Reply #6156 on: February 26, 2021, 05:23:35 PM »
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How bout up your way, Andrade? (You do live in Minnesota don't you?) Have you ever heard anyone ask for a bourbon and soda?

Nope, I worked at a bar in the early 2000s and never heard anyone say that.
 
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« Reply #6157 on: February 26, 2021, 05:43:28 PM »
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How bout up your way, Andrade? (You do live in Minnesota don't you?) Have you ever heard anyone ask for a bourbon and soda?

Nope, I worked at a bar in the early 2000s and never heard anyone say that.

Bourbon and soda I have never heard before this case either.  But I am sure you have seen soda with other liquor?  Back in the 50s and 60s club soda was used quite a bit.  Its awful tasting IMO.  Tonic water is better IMO and that is not great.  OK with Gin
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« Reply #6158 on: February 26, 2021, 05:47:56 PM »
Sometimes "scotch and soda" but the most popular drink "C and Coke" or "C and C" which was Canada and Coke.
 

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« Reply #6159 on: February 26, 2021, 05:51:28 PM »
Not wanting to cause more issues but....isn't Jack Daniels a bourbon?   I didn't mean to start a ruckus over this topic, I just thought it was somewhat odd he would ask for a "bourbon and soda", if in fact that is what he ordered?   As far as what EU is proposing...I think I  am going to need more convincing evidence. (In my humble opinion) As a former smoker, I  can remember using matches quite a bit. I  always was on the lookout for free matches. I  usually kept at least a few packs on me. It  seems like he could have picked up the matches at any number of places. As far as money goes...Who's to say? Maybe .he ate beforehand, paid with a 50 dollar bill, kept the two twenty dollar bills and left the rest as a tip? I really don't know but seems to me there are lots of possibilities?  Just my opinion.
 

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« Reply #6160 on: February 26, 2021, 06:12:24 PM »
Over on dz... Flyjack posted a copy of the drink "menu" that was offered to the passengers. It  includes the prices and different drinks that were offered. Pretty cool !! He also posted parts of a FBI 302 (at least what I believe is a 302) that states Cooper requested a "bourbon and seven-up. Thanks Fly!! Appreciate it.

 

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« Reply #6161 on: February 26, 2021, 06:30:05 PM »
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Not wanting to cause more issues but....isn't Jack Daniels a bourbon?   I didn't mean to start a ruckus over this topic, I just thought it was somewhat odd he would ask for a "bourbon and soda", if in fact that is what he ordered?   As far as what EU is proposing...I think I  am going to need more convincing evidence. (In my humble opinion) As a former smoker, I  can remember using matches quite a bit. I  always was on the lookout for free matches. I  usually kept at least a few packs on me. It  seems like he could have picked up the matches at any number of places. As far as money goes...Who's to say? Maybe .he ate beforehand, paid with a 50 dollar bill, kept the two twenty dollar bills and left the rest as a tip? I really don't know but seems to me there are lots of possibilities?  Just my opinion.
YES, Jack Daniels is a bourbon, so is Jim Beam.  And to the above poster, you are absolutely right, scotch and soda is pretty popular.  I prefer scotch to bourbon. Boubon is pretty sweet.   I think its called "sour mash whiskey" also?  Buts JD is bourbon.  I watched a show on the process.  Its quality.
 
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« Reply #6162 on: February 26, 2021, 06:35:55 PM »
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Sometimes "scotch and soda" but the most popular drink "C and Coke" or "C and C" which was Canada and Coke.

You probably got quite  few orders for scotch and soda.  One of the common choices for high society types.  If they knew who DB Cooper was going to turn out to be, they would have likely given him top shelf on the house, or on the flight!   Here's to you DB!  I am a real fan!!!!
 

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« Reply #6163 on: February 26, 2021, 08:00:43 PM »
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It was a bourbon and soda!!  Why do you twist it to a bourbon and 7 up?  Are you nuts about 7 up?  Soda is CLUB SODA. Never heard of it?  Ever hit a bar in your life?  I was 14 when he jumped.  I know how the old boys ordered a drink back in the day.  I worked in restaurants as a cook.  A bourbon and soda is a bourbon and soda.  Not that it matters or will solve this case.  But the poster that wants to twist the facts is dead wrong. Why dont you try and get Muckler or the other sky girl who is hidden somewhere in S Carolina to tell  you what soda mean?  It means soda   Not 7 UP   Even now if someone goes into a bar and is at a social event and does not want to drink, perhaps he or she is an alcoholic?  They usually order a club soda.  Awful tasting stuff I will grant you that.  But no sugar. 

On a more important topic, just how intensive was the search in Canada?  I would think that would be important based on the french comic book and the use of the term "American currency".  Did the Canadian authorities go after this with the same enthusiasm that the US did?  Somehow I doubt it.
If you’re referring to me, mate, well I’m sorry for your anger issues. Merely my opinion based on how popular 7&7 was at the time of the hijacking - particularly as served on planes. While, I’m not a bartender, I’ve drank enough booze and closed enough bars to know the difference between club soda and 7-Up. Having an alcoholic Irish Catholic dad helped too (he kicked the habit btw).

The drink you’re referring to is a Bourbon Rickey which is far less common an order than 7&7.

I certainly could be wrong, but I’d be shocked if I am. Either way, perhaps you should relax and have one - unless warm milk is more your style.

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« Reply #6164 on: February 26, 2021, 08:34:58 PM »
A Bourbon Ricky is made with bourbon and soda or bourbon and seven-up?  Sorry for my ignorance.  I was always more of a beer and shot type of drinker. (Shot of Mezcal with a Stroh's chaser) lol

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