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Offline haggarknew

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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6090 on: February 13, 2021, 05:48:09 PM »
Can't we ever get a straight answer from the F.B.I.?  Wouldn't you think that would be standard procedure?  ( as far as bringing in cadaver dogs)
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Re: Clues, Documents And Evidence About The Case
« Reply #6091 on: February 13, 2021, 06:46:47 PM »
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... I think if he had it to do over, he would have asked for half a million like McCoy.   


One of the biggest over-looked clues to the case in my view is Cooper's request for only $200,000. Did he have prior knowledge that the Feds only had 250K on hand? It appears he might have known about the size of he stash. If so, how did he know?

Plus, if he had asked for 500K and had to wait interminably for the Feds to get it, it might have screwed up his plans.
 
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« Reply #6092 on: February 13, 2021, 07:25:13 PM »
Good point Bruce. As I have said before, maybe he had help from someone with local knowledge.
 

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« Reply #6093 on: February 13, 2021, 08:01:35 PM »
Yes, it does, doesn't it....

...It could be further evidence of a rogue operation designed to foster new safety legislation.
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« Reply #6094 on: February 13, 2021, 08:25:46 PM »
I guess that's a possibility. Why do you say "rouge"?
 

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« Reply #6095 on: February 14, 2021, 04:31:12 AM »
I use the term rogue to describe an operation that was outside of legal parameters.
 

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« Reply #6096 on: February 14, 2021, 05:16:08 AM »
I understand the meaning of rouge. I am curious as to why you would call it a rouge operation versus calling it a sanctioned operation. I am not saying it was either one. I am just curious as to how we could determine the difference?
 

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« Reply #6097 on: February 14, 2021, 03:49:05 PM »
To me, "rogue" means the perp might be on his own. "Sanctioned" suggests a larger group, such as a governmental agency.
 

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« Reply #6098 on: February 14, 2021, 04:02:44 PM »
There’s a difference between “rogue” and “rouge”.

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« Reply #6099 on: February 14, 2021, 04:52:32 PM »
My mistake. I meant to say rogue.  You are correct. Damn, been outta school for 40 years and still being corrected by teachers.  Lol  thank you
 
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« Reply #6100 on: February 14, 2021, 07:20:09 PM »
Thank "U."
 

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« Reply #6101 on: February 18, 2021, 12:42:31 PM »
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Were divers ever sent down to your knowledge near Tena Bar?  Or anywhere in the River?  Anyway, once again I will say, for those of you that are really into this case, a listen to Infamous America's coverage of it is a must!  It almost puts you in the plane to listen.  They even give you the college teams that were playing in the football game that Thanksgiving  They go into the lives of many of those involved.  Its a fabulous listen.  And of course guys like Kaye and  Gray are mentioned with the work they put in.  You will still have to decide what you believe happened. I think the old boy made it. He was too calculating and cool to have done things so well to just jump to his death. He was smart enough to know what he was up against.  Who knows what he may have had down there in those woods?  Or if he had help?  The story never ends.


Richard Tosaw, a former FBI agent and author of the book, "D.B. Cooper - Dead or Alive", reportedly did quite a bit of underwater explorations at Tina Bar in the early 1980's after the money was found.  He didn't find anything apparently.

I'm sure that we will all agree that the three bundles of money arrived at the location where they were found at the same time.

Cooper may have been smart enough to know what he was up against, but he was foolish to jump under those existing conditions in my opinion.

He had no control over the weather. He had this planned.  His alternative was landing to those federal agents storming the plane and a trip to Pelican Bay.  No thanks says DB.  Ill take my chances in the damn woods.  Besides, I have a ride, coffee, liquor and more waiting on the ground! 
 

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« Reply #6102 on: February 18, 2021, 12:46:28 PM »
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Were divers ever sent down to your knowledge near Tena Bar?  Or anywhere in the River?  Anyway, once again I will say, for those of you that are really into this case, a listen to Infamous America's coverage of it is a must!  It almost puts you in the plane to listen.  They even give you the college teams that were playing in the football game that Thanksgiving  They go into the lives of many of those involved.  Its a fabulous listen.  And of course guys like Kaye and  Gray are mentioned with the work they put in.  You will still have to decide what you believe happened. I think the old boy made it. He was too calculating and cool to have done things so well to just jump to his death. He was smart enough to know what he was up against.  Who knows what he may have had down there in those woods?  Or if he had help?  The story never ends.


Richard Tosaw, a former FBI agent and author of the book, "D.B. Cooper - Dead or Alive", reportedly did quite a bit of underwater explorations at Tina Bar in the early 1980's after the money was found.  He didn't find anything apparently.

I'm sure that we will all agree that the three bundles of money arrived at the location where they were found at the same time.

Cooper may have been smart enough to know what he was up against, but he was foolish to jump under those existing conditions in my opinion.

Maybe so, but he likely had the date and flight chosen well in advance, and its not easy to call something like this off once you have engaged. So he had little choice once he hit the start button.  But perhaps he did have someone waiting below?  That would be my guess.

And Thank Bruce for the reply on the divers

The hijacking was not "on" until Cooper handed the hijack note to Flo.  Cooper made it a point to be one of the last to board and to sit in the rear of the cabin.  If he had seen someone he knew or thought was a Sky Marshall, he could have simply kept the note in his pocket and got off the aircraft at SEATAC and tried on another day.

This is a very good point.  And he also had to have known the forcast.  So why did he not care about the weather?  Perhaps that fit into the plan? After all, the following planes lost the flight. Also, you cant find fresh footprints in the ground when its raining or snowing.
 

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« Reply #6103 on: February 18, 2021, 12:49:12 PM »
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I think there is some significance in the fact that he chose to jump at night. He could have taken the earlier flight and jumped while there was at least a little daylight left yet he chose the more risky jump in the darkness. Might this indicate something as per his sky diving experience? Did any of the copy cats jump at night?

His extensive knowledge of flight and some of law enforcement may have indicated he knew that they would send up fighters to chase the plane?  Perhaps he knew that with his demanded metrics in inclement weather, they would lose the flight ?  Maybe
 

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« Reply #6104 on: February 18, 2021, 01:02:51 PM »
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To me, "rogue" means the perp might be on his own. "Sanctioned" suggests a larger group, such as a governmental agency.

I have just subscribed to Ken Mains on YouTube.  He is ex cop, marine FBI, and is a top cold case detective who has done extensive work on the Zodiac murders, some on Jon Benet and plans to dig deeper into DB Cooper.  He said he at first leaned towards DB not surviving the jump but now is leaning the other way.  He says "I think this DB is much smarter than I gave him credit for and plan to look into this more in the future".  He also wants to know why the FBI has ruled out McCoy?  Not that he is dead sold on him, but finds him the best suspect of those on the list.  BUT, also says, "he may be off the list entirely".  I like this guy.  I just watched his investigation into the Lynard Skynrd Plane crash on YouTube.  And the Jon Benet case.  I happen to agree that was a complete cover up by the parents.  It was done by the family.   But he does not condemn the DA for not going forward.  He says there is still time for that.  Yet Patsy is gone now.  I will watch anything he has to say if he does put more work into this case